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Russo



Joined: Apr 11, 2006

Post   Posted: Oct 23, 2014 - 19:13 Reply with quote Back to top

harvestmouse wrote:
Actually this has highlighted a valid point! Why do Zons get 50k rerolls??????


Its obvious!!

Women communicate far more effectively than men and therefore they elequantly resolve all possible issues in extensive dialogue both during and before the game hence their preparedness for all events and this is reflected in the bargin re-rolls Razz

one does point out though that women also seem to forget everything when they leave the house which contradicts my earlier statement

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mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Oct 23, 2014 - 19:26 Reply with quote Back to top

I'd start by taking away Pass and giving Sure Hands to the Thrower. It's is completely idiotic to give Pass to an AG3 player with AG3 teammates who don't have Catch as a default skill. Who the eff is going to waste their 20k AG skills on Runners with Catch so they can better utilize the Pass skill of the Thrower? It's dumb and obviously so.
Mr_Foulscumm



Joined: Mar 05, 2005

Post   Posted: Oct 23, 2014 - 19:28 Reply with quote Back to top

The only problem with Norse is the names of the positional players.

Ulfwerener? WFT, this is clearly the Berserker.

Berserker? WTF, this is clearly the Blitzer.

There, no stupid 2nd version of Werewolves that have nothing Werewolf about them.

Seriously, who came up with this? Makes no sense at all. I mean they renamed Longbeards, Stormvermin etc, for some kind of consistency amongst the naming conventions. Then they re-name the Blitzers Confused

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Mr_Foulscumm



Joined: Mar 05, 2005

Post   Posted: Oct 23, 2014 - 19:32 Reply with quote Back to top

mrt1212 wrote:
I'd start by taking away Pass and giving Sure Hands to the Thrower. It's is completely idiotic to give Pass to an AG3 player with AG3 teammates who don't have Catch as a default skill. Who the eff is going to waste their 20k AG skills on Runners with Catch so they can better utilize the Pass skill of the Thrower? It's dumb and obviously so.


Better question is, why do they even have Throwers any more?

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mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Oct 23, 2014 - 19:39 Reply with quote Back to top

Mr_Foulscumm wrote:
mrt1212 wrote:
I'd start by taking away Pass and giving Sure Hands to the Thrower. It's is completely idiotic to give Pass to an AG3 player with AG3 teammates who don't have Catch as a default skill. Who the eff is going to waste their 20k AG skills on Runners with Catch so they can better utilize the Pass skill of the Thrower? It's dumb and obviously so.


Better question is, why do they even have Throwers any more?


It's a mystery, isn't it? They just don't fit. Pass skills are too specific in use to take wantonly.
Beerox



Joined: Feb 14, 2008

Post   Posted: Oct 23, 2014 - 19:45 Reply with quote Back to top

More wolves - simplify it.
Macabeo



Joined: Feb 13, 2011

Post   Posted: Oct 24, 2014 - 00:25 Reply with quote Back to top

All the positionals in the Norse team could be considered to be overpriced, but lowering their price makes the team stronger mostly at low TV, so that's a no-no. Buffs should be in the form of skill access or stats, but to whom?

Anyway, I like the current status of the team as a strong team that loses the edge early on, I see it as the counterpart to teams like Chaos and Nurgle. If anything, I'd fix the thrower so he becomes a valid option.

Maybe switch Pass for Strong Arm and give the runner Diving Catch? Leader and Accurate as the first skill ups make for a decent mix of extra reroll and thrower, and Leader is overall better than Pass, as it is very unlikely that you will pass twice in the same half with the same player (although if you use the RR for throwing, you cannot use it for catching...).

Another option is giving the Norse thrower HMP for free, although in my mind HMP belongs to the Amazon thrower (mobility), Strong Arm to the Norse thrower (strength) and Pass to the Human thrower (training).
mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Oct 24, 2014 - 00:40 Reply with quote Back to top

Macabeo wrote:
All the positionals in the Norse team could be considered to be overpriced, but lowering their price makes the team stronger mostly at low TV, so that's a no-no. Buffs should be in the form of skill access or stats, but to whom?

Anyway, I like the current status of the team as a strong team that loses the edge early on, I see it as the counterpart to teams like Chaos and Nurgle. If anything, I'd fix the thrower so he becomes a valid option.

Maybe switch Pass for Strong Arm and give the runner Diving Catch? Leader and Accurate as the first skill ups make for a decent mix of extra reroll and thrower, and Leader is overall better than Pass, as it is very unlikely that you will pass twice in the same half with the same player (although if you use the RR for throwing, you cannot use it for catching...).

Another option is giving the Norse thrower HMP for free, although in my mind HMP belongs to the Amazon thrower (mobility), Strong Arm to the Norse thrower (strength) and Pass to the Human thrower (training).


While this would be fun from a fluff perspective, it still strikes me as borderline useless to have a player with any sort of passing skill when his teammates don't have catch or AG4. In the case of the Thro-Ra the access to passing skills are worth it in the form of Leader because of the 70k rerolls and that's about it.

I'm generally in favor of people playing the way they wanna play and having fun silly builds but in this case it's just setting you up for either playing in an inherently more risky and TV costly way OR you simply don't take the player at all. It's not even fun in the same way Assassins with Stab are.
xnoelx



Joined: Jun 05, 2012

Post   Posted: Oct 24, 2014 - 00:42 Reply with quote Back to top

OK, here's a completely un-thought out idea. They have Viking helmets, so give 'em Horns. Not the Troll or Ulfs, but all the rest...

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Endzone



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Post   Posted: Oct 24, 2014 - 00:43 Reply with quote Back to top

Maybe Norse would be more interesting as a team if they all had fend and cost 10K more. Less min maxy and more potential at higher TV? Also maybe wrestle instead of block - wrestling bears and all that.
harvestmouse



Joined: May 13, 2007

Post   Posted: Oct 24, 2014 - 05:57 Reply with quote Back to top

Re the last half dozen posts:

No no no no no, you're losing sight of a human is. Humans are described. This is why there isn't that much diversity amongst humans.

As an example: Human thrower 6 3 3 8 sure hands, pass. This is a standard thrower. A human thrower should have this as his basis to be described correctly.

CRP 6 has already deviated away from this slightly, which is a little worrying. If you threw the description out of the door totally, then I believe the game is lost. You may as well play with discs with numbers on, rather than a fantasy world.

Human throwers have genetic stats, you need a very good reason (like Norse being block cookie cutter as an example) to deviate away from those stats.

This is the big problem with where BB is right now. It's become so competitive, much more than was envisaged. It's losing touch with the world it's based and it's fluff.
Russo



Joined: Apr 11, 2006

Post   Posted: Oct 24, 2014 - 07:23 Reply with quote Back to top

I agree with Harvestmouse.

If we carry on down this line all goblins will be Str 3 and Av 8 to make them " more competitive"

Life isn't fsir or equal and neither is Bloodbowl. Enjoy the challenges!!

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buuface



Joined: Apr 23, 2014

Post   Posted: Oct 24, 2014 - 07:27 Reply with quote Back to top

MUTATIONS.

Norse are meant to be servants of Chaos anyway aren't they? Wink
buuface



Joined: Apr 23, 2014

Post   Posted: Oct 24, 2014 - 07:28 Reply with quote Back to top

S access to linemen or a free S skill such as stand-firm.

Huscarl shield-wall anyone?
harvestmouse



Joined: May 13, 2007

Post   Posted: Oct 24, 2014 - 07:45 Reply with quote Back to top

buuface wrote:
MUTATIONS.

Norse are meant to be servants of Chaos anyway aren't they? Wink


No. Norse had a major change of direction in Warhammer. They went from a Vikingesque neutral pillaging nation to a flat land marauding Chaotic one.

The BB team is based off of the former. Pact is more your modern day Norse.

Again, why would Norse linos get 'S' access? How have they become so specialist?

Bottom line is, of all the roster changes that are needed, this is way down the line, if it's even needed at all!

SWL have a high TV league Norse team that's extremely successful. Probably in a TV based match making system (which at high TV is about as accurate as throwing S shaped throwing knives blindfolded, with your buttock cheeks and on a moving platform, that's in a different country) they aren't that great.
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