Smeat
Joined: Nov 19, 2006
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Jan 29, 2015 - 00:50 |
 
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| Lorebass wrote: | | So, where can i find actual whole written rules for swiss-type tourneys? I understand That I wind up playing coaches closer to my level eventually but no why. |
There are diff variations worldwide, but in short, here's how it works on this site:
You start with some initial seeding and pairing - random, by CR, by TV, reverse TV or CR, whatever.
As games get played, teams become ranked, usually by their win/loss record - win and you gain more ranking points, lose and you don't. (The "points" earned for that ranking vary, but usually based on W/T/L, followed by tie-breakers based on TD diff + Cas diff, or some variation on that.)
The order can continually change round to round, but the winning teams are toward the top, the losing toward the bottom.
After Round 1, the #1 team is paired with the next highest team that they have NOT played. Usually in Round 2 that's the #2 team, but if ! & 2 played Round 1 it's #1 vs. #3. Then the next highest unpaired team is paired with the next highest-ranked team that they have not played - and so on down the list until everyone has their pairing.
If some teams lose a LOT, they float around the bottom, and are paired last, and can play each other more than once - lose continually, and that's what happens.
So the winning-est teams all sift toward the top, where they are going to play each other sooner or later (assuming there are more rounds to play).
At the end of the pre-established number of rounds, the highest-ranked team wins. |
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grant85
Joined: Dec 19, 2005
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Jan 29, 2015 - 13:20 |
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Sainthropee
Joined: Jan 27, 2013
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Jan 29, 2015 - 14:20 |
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| grant85 wrote: | | 21 matches to go! |
Go go go! |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Jan 29, 2015 - 19:57 |
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Almost time for round 3. Most of us are chomping at the bit and ready to go, but if you're one of those struggling to play, remember I need to be aware of all of the facts.
Hope those games are scheduled!
Gogogo!  |
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mawph
Joined: Jul 02, 2013
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Jan 29, 2015 - 21:26 |
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Nothing to see here, All fixed  |
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sann0638
Joined: Aug 09, 2010
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Jan 30, 2015 - 14:07 |
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7 to go! Will they all get done! |
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Cavetroll
Joined: Jan 21, 2009
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Jan 30, 2015 - 21:15 |
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Down to 6 games, and 45 minutes to finish up. Only saw 1 underway in the active Games section... |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Jan 30, 2015 - 21:36 |
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I wonder if the # of forfeits will grow for each round like this... |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Jan 30, 2015 - 22:03 |
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Group PM for round 3:
Hi gang,
As ever, do not reply to this PM, please instead use the forum for any discussion.
Round 3 of the Road to the NAF Championship is go, go, GO! Almost halfway now, keep up the momentum!
Round 2 was another cracker, although we had a small handful of forfeits this time. Coaches who incurred a forfeit should schedule their round 3 game quickly, as we have a waiting list of coaches primed and ready to go if it becomes clear you’ve left us. We want to fill up the tournament with active coaches, and we’ll swap in keen people if necessary!
To the vast majority; keep up the good work!
Phil / Purplegoo.
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As an addition to the PM, which I wanted to keep brief, a note on forfeits, which have become more of an occurrence this round (if still a minor one).
The spirit of the -5 point forfeit loss is to penalise those who make little or no effort (or forget) to communicate and play their game or drop out of the tournament. In one case, it has been clear that both coaches involved worked hard to play the game, and that there has been a reasonable real life circumstance that has got in the way (which has then been very well communicated as the round went on).
We've spoken about this as an admin team, and our decision is that when a coach that fits the above description, forfeits a round and then plays his following game according to schedule, we will change the forfeit penalty from -5 to -1. This forfeit is far less harsh, and the coach should be able to work himself back into things. We'll apply the same logic to any games where coaches have done their best to play, communicated well, but sadly not managed it due to an unexpected problem, and leave the -5 penalty for those that are clearly not making the effort to schedule the game in good time or are simply silent. We feel this revision is far more in the spirit of what we’re trying to do, and for getting Blood Bowl games played.
We treat forfeits on a case by case basis, and are based upon information received before 22:00 server time on a Friday night. 6/254 games ending in forfeits is not a disaster by any means, but let’s do our best to keep the ratio as good or better going forward!
Thanks, and good luck with round 3!  |
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Calcium
Joined: Apr 08, 2007
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Jan 30, 2015 - 22:09 |
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| Roland wrote: | | I wonder if the # of forfeits will grow for each round like this... |
Without a doubt. I would wager that a number of coaches here are competitive (some more than others)and once the chance of winning disappears so will any enthusiasm of playing. Such is the curse of FUMBBL's structure...It poisons many coaches to this type of tourney, which has to be how the game is meant to be played and was played before the likes of FUMBBL. I know it has for me.... |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Jan 30, 2015 - 22:13 |
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I won't go into too much on forfeits, but I think it would be wrong to be pessimistic rather than to just see how it goes. There are good reasons for continuing playing if 6/0/0 is impossible, namely possible exclusion from future events, online NAF ranking, the prize draw for coaches that complete all 6 games and just enjoying the resurrection format, which is currently exclusive.
And if all that doesn't work, we have a waiting list. Your place is not guaranteed if you're not playing games!
6/254 is worse than 0/254, but it's certainly no crisis. Let's see how we go on. |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Jan 30, 2015 - 22:16 |
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I can understand the sentiment. Thing is: playing tabletop, it makes sense to have everyone play 6 games over the course of 2 days. If you're out of the running, at least you're still drinking with mates for the weekend. In league (online or TT), once you're out, you're still building your team for next season, and you still have the chance to kill that damn +ST +AG gutter runner. With online + resurrection + swiss, they become one-off games against random online people (or against Purplechest!) with little more to be gained from them. Fun as a single game of blood bowl may be; much of the charm is in the ability to (s)kill players. |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Jan 30, 2015 - 22:20 |
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Not everyone participates in a Blood Bowl tournament with only winning in mind. I know it's an odd concept, but some people just enjoy getting 6 games and seeing where they end up. It's game 3 of the first tournament of this kind. It's far too early to be making predictions of this kind.
Anyway. Line drawn, for me at least. Onto round 3. Where are the juiciest looking encounters going to come? |
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Cavetroll
Joined: Jan 21, 2009
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Jan 30, 2015 - 22:41 |
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Speaking of online NAF Ranking, does that exist anywhere yet or is this tournament setting the bar (so to speak)? |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Jan 30, 2015 - 22:42 |
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It does not currently exist. We intend that it will following this tournament, it's a work in progress. |
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