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AG2 Tree - Yay or nay?
Yay
21%
 21%  [ 17 ]
Nay
78%
 78%  [ 61 ]
Total Votes : 78


the_Sage



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Post   Posted: Mar 05, 2015 - 21:10 Reply with quote Back to top
I suspect MattDakka just meant it as a sarcastic version of 'of course you can ask silly questions here, man! But the answer is still no.'

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vaclav



Joined: Mar 21, 2009
Post   Posted: Mar 05, 2015 - 21:24 Reply with quote Back to top
Yes, if u want to be cool. but if u want to be a hero u will have to win games with him.
Smeat



Joined: Nov 19, 2006
Post   Posted: Mar 05, 2015 - 21:30 Reply with quote Back to top
the_Sage wrote:
I suspect MattDakka just meant it as a sarcastic version of 'of course you can ask silly questions here, man! But the answer is still no.'

I put a smiley on my comment too. Perhaps I suspect mine was in a similar vein. Wink

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Master_ZEN



Joined: Mar 05, 2015
Post   Posted: Mar 05, 2015 - 21:30 Reply with quote Back to top
Yay, next lvl can be +AG too Very Happy
Kam



Joined: Nov 06, 2012
Post   Posted: Mar 05, 2015 - 21:56 Reply with quote Back to top
Smeat wrote:
He's "never" going to want to dodge (that doesn't use Break Tackle), the odds of him getting Ag 3 are thin, and Ag 2 doesn't make him... much of anything. Which all means a normal skill is more valuable.


Trees dodge all the time. Break Tackle is the best regular skill they can take.

There are three ways to win a game with flings:

- Be Nuffle's favourite: your opponent suffers a TO before he can pick up the ball, grab it, and run.

- Fly. Get that t8/t16 OTTD, or steal a TD on defence after a blitz event or a failed pick up.

- Crush'em all. Win the battle in the center of the pitch. That's where the game will be decided 9/10 times, simply because that's where your trees are, and that's where you can strike. And you want to screen so your opponent stays as long as possible in this "death zone" to give you more opportunities.

There are several ways to win this battle. Sometimes, you can sneak your way to the BC with stunty dodges or a TTM past the front line and POW him. Sometimes as well - quite often actually - the BC will at some point stand less than 4 squares away from your trees. If your tree is marked, then the odds are you will only be able to hit one of the corners of the cage. Unless you don't need BT to dodge, aka, if you roll a 5+ or... a 4+ with AG2. It's not insignificant at all.

So... When can you consider taking +AG on a tree?

- Rookie tree: don't take it. If you have enough gold, retire him and make a fresh one until he rolls a double or +MA.

- Vanilla tree (no double) with a few skills already: do you have BT? Do you have Guard and Garb already? And MulBlock on top of that? Well, you should retire your tree. Otherwise, yeah, take +AG since there ain't 6 good strength skills you can take.

- +MA tree: I would take it if he already has BT, especially if that's a MA4 tree, and I would make him by BC.

- Stat freak / doubles king: it really depends... It depends on how you've built your tree (I would consider taking the +AG on a tree with Dodge - and I actually did - but I would skip it on a JU/POMBer for instance), and it also depends on how many normal skills you already have: I would take BT nomatter what if I don't have it already, and probably Guard as well, unless again that's some sort of MA4 blodge monster.

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Actually, I really don't know why I'm arguing. Wink

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Lorebass



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Post   Posted: Mar 05, 2015 - 22:08
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To be fair too though. If you don't get Agi 2 you'll NEVER get agi 3...

Just saying.
Smeat



Joined: Nov 19, 2006
Post   Posted: Mar 05, 2015 - 22:24 Reply with quote Back to top
Kam wrote:
Smeat wrote:
He's "never" going to want to dodge (that doesn't use Break Tackle), the odds of him getting Ag 3 are thin, and Ag 2 doesn't make him... much of anything. Which all means a normal skill is more valuable.

Trees dodge all the time. Break Tackle is the best regular skill they can take.

So... we're agreeing... sorry, what's your point? Confused

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Kam



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Post   Posted: Mar 05, 2015 - 22:25 Reply with quote Back to top
My point is BT isn't automatically used... It's used only if you roll 4-, or 3- with AG2 (as said twice already).

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Smeat



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Post   Posted: Mar 05, 2015 - 22:36 Reply with quote Back to top
Ah - and my point was that even an Ag 2 is not going to be doing much dodging WITHOUT BT. So... Razz

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mrt1212



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Post   Posted: Mar 05, 2015 - 23:57 Reply with quote Back to top
This is why you always watch your dice for Breaktackle rolls.

There was a game recently where my ST6 Troll Stuntzi II rolled two 6s - First dodge was into 2 TZs on a Blitz action, I hit the first one with a 6. Instead of blitzing one of the two players from that TZ, I dodged again and rolled another 6. The end objective was to get better position on the blitz but now I had a shot at the BC - dodged again into two TZs and failed the GFI. Ah well...point is, if you're paying attention you can leverage break tackle into even better options.
Merrick18818



Joined: Dec 14, 2013
Post   Posted: Mar 06, 2015 - 00:00 Reply with quote Back to top
Didn't think this would become so hotly discussed.

I've already taken Guard. Laughing
PainState



Joined: Apr 04, 2007
Post   Posted: Mar 06, 2015 - 00:20 Reply with quote Back to top
Now wait a minute..lets take a look at this.

AG2 on tree who BTW can reroll with out loner can now.

Dodge on a 4+ with Reroll
Catch on a 4+ with Reroll
Pick up the ball on a 4+ with reroll

All 75% chance plays.

having a tree who, if needed can actual do those things above at those odds...how is that bad?

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PainState



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Post   Posted: Mar 06, 2015 - 00:25 Reply with quote Back to top
TheThinkTank wrote:
Didn't think this would become so hotly discussed.

I've already taken Guard. Laughing


Such a shame...all the potential down the drain all in the name of saving 20TV.

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pythrr



Joined: Mar 07, 2006
Post   Posted: Mar 06, 2015 - 00:34 Reply with quote Back to top
TheThinkTank wrote:
MattDakka wrote:
please don't even ask such pointless questions. Laughing


Yeah, sorry for being so stupid and not as pro as you.


Don't worry. Matt is a notorious annoying person.

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mrt1212



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Post   Posted: Mar 06, 2015 - 00:41 Reply with quote Back to top
Pythrr knows this because he runs the racket on annoying people. Wink
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