ulvardar234
Joined: Dec 29, 2012
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May 06, 2015 - 20:03 |
 
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| fly wrote: | | bring one down, foul. repeat. |
And repeat, and repeat....
Develop 1-2 dirty players, let him feel the pain.
Smile when he piles on while blocking you... another chance to foul.
And, if suffering too much damage, foul with your best players. They will be safe when sent off. |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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May 06, 2015 - 20:38 |
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That's not going to win you games, ulvardar. |
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uzkulak
Joined: Mar 30, 2004
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May 06, 2015 - 21:22 |
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Also, hit back - Chaos often rely on a couple of key stars and the remainder of the team is pretty ordinary. Especially the beastmen, they tend to leave the pitch quite quickly when targetted with MB. |
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Rat_Salat
Joined: Apr 22, 2011
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May 06, 2015 - 21:37 |
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Get your own pomber, and mark his with someone with fend. |
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wintergreen13
Joined: Apr 10, 2011
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May 06, 2015 - 22:40 |
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The strength mismatch can definitely create problems (I find Orcs and Lizards to be the two hardest races to play against with humans for just this reason), but Chaos (especially at about 1400 TV) have one real weakness: a lot of AV 8 players you can pile on and foul. I tend to focus on the beastmen and try to bring the other coach's numbers down; since human linos are cheaper but equal strength, I like to have a small bench and do my best to imitate their player removal style. If you're lucky and have some blodgers on your side things might even be easier, since Chaos are usually still trying to get basic skills and might not have much, if any, tackle. |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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May 06, 2015 - 23:02 |
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I agree with Wintergreen's comments about picking off the Beastman. Most chaos coaches have no more than 1 reserve so you may be able to keep up with them in numbers for each kickoff. This is particularly if you have some mighty blow, at least one Pomber.
Janmattys, Endzone, Paddymick and Purplegoo make some good comments, though not necessarily easy to implement. You don't want your side spread all over the pitch, hopefully you can manouvere your blitzers where needed. I find I can get around Chaos with Blitzers on offense but you may have a hard time taking any longer than 3 turns over your score without being overrun.
If defending against a good cage I would probably throw everything at it one turn if I manage to pow down a corner. But if they hit well the following turn it could be nasty for you.
Oenarlord will have plenty of Blackbox wins over Chaos to spectate. |
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Crook666
Joined: Oct 16, 2012
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May 06, 2015 - 23:33 |
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Chaos is just broken.
4 ST4 players with AG3, 1 ST5, plus the chance to blitz 2dices with horns
Decent speed
Clawpomb access
So in ranked I just avoid Chaos teams they are for people that can't play. I watch them play against Chaos Dorfs and /cheer at every death. If you do the same you'll be surprised by these bashing clawpomb's coach lack of skills. They basically just roll dices and go for armor break.
Go and look for even and fair matchups with your humans, don't be too scared of Nurgle since they are slow and have poor agility and you can catch them easily outta position.
Khemri are a pain but their lack of agility can be an advantage for humans. |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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May 06, 2015 - 23:40 |
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If they don't get move 7 or ag 4 players they still have some weakness. Plus none of their rookies have block. |
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Rat_Salat
Joined: Apr 22, 2011
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May 07, 2015 - 01:45 |
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Chaos are pretty garbage under 1500tv.
If you're looking for tips on how to beat 2000tv chaos with killstack, there are honestly very few answers. One is to play elves or skaven and outscore them while stealing the ball. This has the added advantage of rendering all their claw irrelevant, for most of these teams.
Unfortunately, you're also conceding AV7 piling on everywhere, and elves take an absolute thrashing against heavy bash. Even if you win the game, your team might not be the same afterwards.
People have theorized about using fend or other strategies to counter high TV chaos (and nurgle), but as blackbox shows, it's really difficult without fighting fire with fire. It's really not so much about beating these teams, it's about the long-term damage they do to your roster.
I don't really consider myself a pixel-hugger. I play AV7 teams mainly, and those players rarely last the 100 games or so an orc blitzer might expect to live... but I don't think anyone likes seeing their bloodbowl team destroyed. I find playing these teams pretty unpleasant, and try to avoid it. |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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May 07, 2015 - 05:10 |
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To be fair he mentioned it was in 1400TV range. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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May 07, 2015 - 07:02 |
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well, it depends -- is it 1400 TV, 5 game chaos, or 1400TV minmaxed 2 killer chaos....? |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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May 07, 2015 - 08:35 |
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In the 'last 3 forum threads' this shows up as "What do you do again..."
I keep picturing some drunk guy asking what kind of work you do for the 5th time. =P |
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Badoek
Joined: May 17, 2009
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May 07, 2015 - 08:51 |
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Keep us posted! |
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juck101
Joined: Nov 16, 2003
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May 16, 2015 - 15:25 |
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Probably 4 killer men blitzers help - with mb po frenzy. Maybe 2 dps if you really want to build to beat chaos. Fouling often is toally ok and with 50 linos I dont see thats a problem.
Saying that, some ag throwers and catchers is the other option but scoring more and winning. Just score on controll offense over 8 turns and try to get enough time in the second half to score a late winner. Having a big bench alos helps if you going downn this road. |
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Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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May 16, 2015 - 16:18 |
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I'm not super experienced with humans but my strategy was to spam Dodge on every double. That worked pretty well. If they can't knock you down they cant injure you either. Also use a large player base and dirty player.
Overall humans are what they are: Not a great race. |
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