Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jun 26, 2016 - 19:55 |
 
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I'm not disputing the reading of tzeentch. I am disputing your reading of Pro. Pro skill is a skill given to Pros.
Tzeentch team isn't playable at the moment anyway mind. |
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ArrestedDevelopment
Joined: Sep 14, 2015
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Jun 26, 2016 - 20:19 |
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Some thoughts on Zoats:
I understand the idea of khemri-like, but i think actually the current roster does miss a few things about khemri - Khemri start with the same 4x st5, and less mobility, but they also have surehands, 2x block, and regen and their st5 are av9. I don't think the extra movement points by comparison (or av8 vs thick skull) is even comparable to this reliability and staying power.
The regen element is quite important - while the adult zoats can use break tackle to get out of TZs, the Zoat Juvens are essentially easily marked up by anyone playing against the team, and with absolutely no block, surehands, or any skill to speak of at all, this becomes easier, especially on offence, because there is a high chance of failure in every single turn, leading to progressively worse position, and invariably, casualties. Most positions with low AG either have av9 or regeneration which seems a reasonable balance for being unable to dodge on anything better than 4+.
I really like the icons and will probably continue playing them, but I do think their initial start is possibly the worst I've ever played, and I've played undead with no postionals barring mummies plenty of times. I also am not sure if it will actually get any better for them, as they relatively average cost of everything and therefore will be growing at the same rate their opponents are. That said, don't take this as criticism of the roster, since I am aware that it's entirely possible that this is the complete intention, and that sometimes teams are just like that. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Jun 26, 2016 - 20:32 |
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| DrPoods wrote: | | Garion wrote: | | DrPoods wrote: | | Where are Ethereals on the list? |
They're made koadah hasn't added them to the open yet I'll get him on it
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Cheers. Another thing is the description of the Nipponese Samurai says they are -1MA and +1AV but the team roster appears to be regular hoomie 7-3-3-8. Is this cirrect? Just checking. |
| Garion wrote: | Yep correct, I changed that a while back 6 months ago or so, haven't updated the text, yet, team were too good, Might still be , I'm keeping a close eye on them.  |
How are the Nipponese too good? They seem to be tactically very slow. It's not a team I've played, but on paper they look fine to me.
When I made the Linos (not the team, as I little/no influence on that one) my vision was that they would be AV7. Very difficult to make a team too powerful with ag3/av7. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jun 26, 2016 - 20:34 |
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It is the intention they are meant to be a team for experts. I think they could be pretty good in time, but you are correct, a sure hands or two in the team is a must. First skill for me, no question. I've been watching their games though . Don't forget zoats have gs as well which TGs do not. |
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KidCrestHill
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 26, 2016 - 20:41 |
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I tryed the Slannesh Team i just can't take that roster,your took the Chaos out of them,just a fail elf team now,just makes me sad I've waited so long for a Slaanesh team.Pro Elfs and Orc linemen with Claws just takes all the bash out of Chaos and once I start skilling them up (A)Skills and no (S)access come on...some of these other roster has tremendous bash capabilities Slaanesh roster is a tier 4 punching bag |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jun 26, 2016 - 20:47 |
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Yeah I saw. You played 1 game, they certainly aren't typical chaos I agree but given time and with mutations could be good. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jun 26, 2016 - 20:48 |
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| harvestmouse wrote: | | DrPoods wrote: | | Garion wrote: | | DrPoods wrote: | | Where are Ethereals on the list? |
They're made koadah hasn't added them to the open yet I'll get him on it
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Cheers. Another thing is the description of the Nipponese Samurai says they are -1MA and +1AV but the team roster appears to be regular hoomie 7-3-3-8. Is this cirrect? Just checking. |
| Garion wrote: | | Yep correct, I changed that a while back 6 months ago or so, haven't updated the text, yet, team were too good, Might still be , I'm keeping a close eye on them. |
How are the Nipponese too good? They seem to be tactically very slow. It's not a team I've played, but on paper they look fine to me.
When I made the Linos (not the team, as I little/no influence on that one) my vision was that they would be AV7. Very difficult to make a team too powerful with ag3/av7. |
Not nipponesse, Nippon were maybe are too good |
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ArrestedDevelopment
Joined: Sep 14, 2015
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Jun 26, 2016 - 21:02 |
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| Garion wrote: | | It is the intention they are meant to be a team for experts. I think they could be pretty good in time, but you are correct, a sure hands or two in the team is a must. First skill for me, no question. I've been watching their games though . Don't forget zoats have gs as well which TGs do not. |
Yeah for sure on GS. I do feel that they are always going to have issues with attrition, but that's fine if they're intended to be difficult to play, and with some more skills the base speed should make a positional game more sound |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jun 26, 2016 - 21:06 |
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| KidCrestHill wrote: | | I tryed the Slannesh Team i just can't take that roster,your took the Chaos out of them,just a fail elf team now,just makes me sad I've waited so long for a Slaanesh team.Pro Elfs and Orc linemen with Claws just takes all the bash out of Chaos and once I start skilling them up (A)Skills and no (S)access come on...some of these other roster has tremendous bash capabilities Slaanesh roster is a tier 4 punching bag |
You need to play more than1 game really. Tier 4 is sensationalistic nonsense. They are a finesse team, not a bash team, that is their intention, that said they can still bash they start with claw and have av9. If you want a bash chaos team try khorn he sounds like the God for you |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Jun 26, 2016 - 21:13 |
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| KidCrestHill wrote: | | I tryed the Slannesh Team i just can't take that roster,your took the Chaos out of them,just a fail elf team now,just makes me sad I've waited so long for a Slaanesh team.Pro Elfs and Orc linemen with Claws just takes all the bash out of Chaos and once I start skilling them up (A)Skills and no (S)access come on...some of these other roster has tremendous bash capabilities Slaanesh roster is a tier 4 punching bag |
they've got GAM access FCOL!  |
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CastleMan
Joined: Apr 26, 2013
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Jun 26, 2016 - 21:34 |
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I am a big fan of the secret league teams. I want to thank everyone who put in the time and effort to gift this to the Fumbbl community. And Cathay is the best baby!!! |
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KidCrestHill
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 26, 2016 - 22:03 |
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| Roland wrote: | | KidCrestHill wrote: | | I tryed the Slannesh Team i just can't take that roster,your took the Chaos out of them,just a fail elf team now,just makes me sad I've waited so long for a Slaanesh team.Pro Elfs and Orc linemen with Claws just takes all the bash out of Chaos and once I start skilling them up (A)Skills and no (S)access come on...some of these other roster has tremendous bash capabilities Slaanesh roster is a tier 4 punching bag |
they've got GAM access FCOL! |
Who cares about (M) once u got claw |
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CastleMan
Joined: Apr 26, 2013
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Jun 26, 2016 - 22:23 |
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there are some great M skills other than claw. It is amazing to think that since claw is so good that all other M skills are nothing, |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Jun 26, 2016 - 23:06 |
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| CastleMan wrote: | | there are some great M skills other than claw. It is amazing to think that since claw is so good that all other M skills are nothing, |
+1 |
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Victor_Vermis
Joined: Mar 31, 2013
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Jun 26, 2016 - 23:40 |
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A team with 4x MA7 AG4 Hypno Gaze no Bloodlust pieces shouldn't be considered "not bashy enough". You can't be good at EVERYTHING.
..And yet they also have Claw. Daemons of Slaanesh are gross!  |
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