mister__joshua
Joined: Jun 20, 2007
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| Garion wrote: | | mister__joshua wrote: | | Coffee_Monster wrote: | | Looks like you’re swapping 3 human blitzers for 3 sturdy loner LoS fodder. |
Yeah, it feels much worse than normal Humans to me. |
Regardless of tier. The biggest crime is how boring/unappealing this team will be to play because of all the loner.
I don't think I will ever bother. Just utterly dull. |
It’s feels to me this edition that the designers are terrified of even slightly shaking up the power balance/meta, so any changes have to remain worse than the current Tier 1 teams. |
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Garion
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Jul 04, 2020 - 15:15 |
 
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| mister__joshua wrote: | | Garion wrote: | | mister__joshua wrote: | | Coffee_Monster wrote: | | Looks like you’re swapping 3 human blitzers for 3 sturdy loner LoS fodder. |
Yeah, it feels much worse than normal Humans to me. |
Regardless of tier. The biggest crime is how boring/unappealing this team will be to play because of all the loner.
I don't think I will ever bother. Just utterly dull. |
It’s feels to me this edition that the designers are terrified of even slightly shaking up the power balance/meta, so any changes have to remain worse than the current Tier 1 teams. |
Well that is a sensible consideration for sure. Mixing a bunch of versatile fast players with hardy dwarves did have the potential to be OP at low TV which is where the game design aims for teams to play the majority of their games.
The problem here is there is literally nothing interesting about this roster and the inclusion of loner just makes it awful. It would be easy to make a balanced roster but I think they limited them self by designing off existing sprues.
straight off the top of my head with zero thought they could go -
0-12 human linemen
0-1 Thrower animosity
0-1 Catcher animosity
0-1 Dwarf blitzer animosity
0-3 Dwarf Blocker animosity
0-3 Fling
0-1 Ogre
rr 70k
which would be a better roster and still fine within existing tiers. Still wouldn't have been a particularly fun roster but at least it wouldn't be anti fun, and with flings and and ogre there is some entertainment there. Plus a fairly distinct play style... i.e. hold the line with the dwarves, try and open a gap for the pass and catch game. |
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James_
Joined: Aug 01, 2019
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Jul 04, 2020 - 15:17 |
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| Lill-Leif wrote: | | How will loner / animosity affect player value? |
Standard price. |
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James_
Joined: Aug 01, 2019
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Jul 04, 2020 - 15:19 |
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With so many negative points - reroll cost, loner, animosity, it almost needed some elves for balance. |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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Well it's all been said.
0-12 Human Linemen +Animosity
0-1 Human Blitzer +Animosity
0-1 Human Catcher +Animosity
0-1 Human Thrower +Animosity
0-2 Long Beards +Loner
0-1 Dwarf Blitzer +Loner
0-1 Troll Slayer +Loner
0-1 Dwarf Runner +Loner
0-1 Ogre
0-2 Halfling +Loner
70K rerolls.
The rerolls are really expensive, partly offset by having almost no one that can sanely use them, and a Human thrower as leader caddy, or Dwarf Runner as leader caddy that you should use rerolls on. So that's absurd.
Dwarves with Loner, so cant GFI. Runner has inbuolt pick up reroll so could carry, but then any dodge/Blitz out etc. gets riskier, as Loner. Rest useful maybe for hitting but.
Ah, its useless, i can't see good options here. The Animosity isnt so terrible, odd it's only one way, Dwarves happy to hand it the nearest human, but Loner kills the build.
Odd also that it's 0-2 flings ans beards. But maybe sensible, more than 2 flings would be OP.
Worse than Underwhelm I'd say, beter than Stunty races. |
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ClayInfinity
Joined: Aug 15, 2003
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Jul 04, 2020 - 15:46 |
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If you go for min/max black box build and go with zero rerolls, can you get a decent team at 1000TV and hope Nuffle shines on you with your natural skills (block, dodge, sure hands) holding you up?
Otherwise, this team looks horrendous |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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Stars Available:
Barik Farblast 6 3 3 8 Loner, Hail Mary Pass, Pass, Secret Weapon, Strong Arm, Sure Hands, Thick Skull 60k
Helmut Wulf 6 3 3 8 Loner, Chainsaw, Secret Weapon, Stand Firm 110k
Flint Churnblade 5 3 2 8 Loner, Block, Chainsaw, Secret Weapon, Thick Skull 130k
Puggy Baconbreath 5 3 3 6 Loner, Block, Dodge, Nerves of Steel, Right Stuff, Stunty 140k
Grim Ironjaw 5 4 3 8 Loner, Block, Dauntless, Frenzy, Multiple Block, Thick Skull 220k
Karla von Kill 6 4 3 8 Block, Dauntless, Dodge, Jump Up, Loner 220k
Mighty Zug 4 5 2 9 Loner, Block, Mighty Blow 260k
Griff Oberwald 7 4 4 8 Loner, Block, Dodge, Fend, Sprint, Sure Feet 320k
Morg 'n' Thorg 6 6 3 10 Loner, Block, Mighty Blow, Thick Skull, Throw Team-Mate 430k
Nothing much there that makes me think a 1100 or even 1200 NAF build has appeal.
Double chainsaw USP? |
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Java
Joined: Jan 27, 2018
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Jul 04, 2020 - 16:05 |
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Griff Oberwald support act |
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James_
Joined: Aug 01, 2019
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Jul 04, 2020 - 16:39 |
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No new stars, boo. Id probably try and fit Zug in Naf style, havent done the Maths. |
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James_
Joined: Aug 01, 2019
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Jul 04, 2020 - 16:39 |
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The flings helps with scumming stars? Could be their only point. |
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Chivite
Joined: Sep 04, 2017
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Jul 04, 2020 - 16:50 |
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Zug 260
D lino 70
D lino 70
D blitz 80
D slayer 90
H blitz 90
H thrower 70
H lino 50
H lino 50
H lino 50
H lino 50
H lino 50
H lino 50
Rr 70
Total 1.1M
Skills:
Dlino guard
Dlino guard
Dblitz guard
Hthrower leader
H blitz Mighty blow
If 6 skills Dslayer Mighty blow |
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Chivite
Joined: Sep 04, 2017
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Jul 04, 2020 - 16:53 |
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If this is the roster in the end, and its not fake news, it will also make the delights of minmaxers, no problem with loners when you run no rr! |
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James_
Joined: Aug 01, 2019
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Jul 04, 2020 - 16:53 |
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NAF build 1100k
1 human blitzer
1 human catcher
1 human thrower
3 human linemen
1 Ogre
2 Longbeards
1 Troll slayer
1 Fling
1 reroll
Zug
Take leader thrower. |
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mister__joshua
Joined: Jun 20, 2007
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| PurpleChest wrote: | | Double chainsaw USP? |
Pact could already do double saw. In fact, I nearly did for York first year.  |
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The_Murker
Joined: Jan 30, 2011
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Jul 04, 2020 - 19:23 |
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I don't understand why wood elves can have an entire team of ma7+, 1 turners, and blodge-leaping miracle workers, but a human team can't have a couple of slow dwarfs without Loner.
I don't understand why a chaos team gets to pick its mutatious gifts from the gods, and have four MA5 ST4 can openers on the team, with everyone else 2-head blitzing at ST4 power, but the new human team must have the 'OP' halflings nerfed.
For me to be so confused, this design HAS to be driven and decided based on low level NAF style tournaments, whatever the hell those are, right? |
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