Emrys
Joined: Jun 05, 2008
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Jul 18, 2008 - 15:40 |
 
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For some reason I'm struggling to understand half the team ratings on Fumbbl.
My understanding is that the second figure is the Team Strength and is based on the playing roster's value, any staff/rerolls you have and how much cash is in the bank. (If I've misunderstood this then I'm struggling with both halves of the rating).
It's the first figure that's puzzling me as it seems to rise and fall but doesn't seem to relate to actual match performance.
For example, my Rank Incompetents currently have a rating of 165/161.
If I'm reading the info in the match list correctly this rating went up from 163 to 171 when they lost against Lovely Ladies08 (who were rated at 158). I'd have expected my rating to fall if I lost against a weaker team. Have I misunderstood something?
I'm also surprised that a team that's only won 4 out of 14 games has a rating of 65 higher than when they started. Surely it should be way below 100 by now? |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Jul 18, 2008 - 15:42 |
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krytie
Joined: Aug 16, 2007
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Jul 18, 2008 - 16:00 |
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TR is the FIRST figure, not the second, and you are correct that it is not related to match performance - it is purely related to the value of the team. Therefore if you don't lose a player in a match, your TR will increase due to gate money.
I could tell you the formual, but as Jan says, the rulebook defines it perfectly. Every user here is expected to have read (and owned) a rulebook.
FYI: It is the CR value which will rise and fall based on results (in [R] only). |
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mohreb
Joined: Jan 07, 2006
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Jul 18, 2008 - 16:15 |
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none is expected to own a rulebook(LRB4), mine was the LRB2 so i am not excluded becouse of thath am i?
Just read it and it will be ok ... there are many images in it too ... but if you are not english i would propose you to find first one in your lenguage so it is easyer to understand too ... (i had problems with the english one first) and it is transleted to almost every language (just look at the funs of there first) ... |
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Emrys
Joined: Jun 05, 2008
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Jul 18, 2008 - 17:04 |
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I do have the rulebook but thank Krytie for pointing out that I was looking at the wrong number.
The LRB team rating (LRB4) or team strength (LRB5) only provides one figure. Now that I'm looking at the correct figure I can now see how the "165" in my team's rating of "165/161" is calculated according to the LRB4 formula but am still struggling to see how a team with a win record of 4/2/8 can have a team ranking (not rating) over 150. |
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Khudzlin
Joined: May 24, 2007
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Jul 18, 2008 - 17:12 |
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the first figure is Team Rating (TR) and is calculated according to the rulebook; the second figure is Team Strength (TS) and is calculated according to a complicated formula posted on fumbbl.com -- it does no more take match performance into account than TR, the main differences being that TS doesn't count gold or missing players and player value for TS is based on stats, skills and injuries rather than hiring price and SPP |
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Woodstock
Joined: Dec 11, 2004
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Jul 18, 2008 - 17:17 |
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First figure is TR, second figure is TS. Team strength is something FUMBBL came with and should not be confused with Team Value (LRB5). Where do you get the team ranking from, I don't know. Here on FUMBBL we only have a coach ranking which can be influenced by all your teams.
Ow and by the way, in ranked it is not allowed to play the same opponent over and over again as much as you do, the rule is once in every ten games. |
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Emrys
Joined: Jun 05, 2008
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Jul 18, 2008 - 20:33 |
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Thanks for that explanation, Woodstock.
We must have misunderstood the rule about playing friends too often. We'd been mixing up the teams to ensure variety (having clearly misunderstood the reference to "coach/team" - I'd assumed that if I had 3 teams and my friend had 3 teams that playing team A v his team A and then team B v his team B would be ok when I should really avoid playing any of his teams until I'd played another 9 games in Ranked). Sorry about that.
Now that I understand the intention I'll ensure it doesn't happen again. |
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Thomcat
Joined: Jul 20, 2004
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Jul 18, 2008 - 20:36 |
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| Emrys wrote: | Thanks for that explanation, Woodstock.
I must have missed the rule about playing friends too often. I'll ensure it doesn't happen again. Didn't exactly help me as I've only beaten the *.*.*. once.  |
And here is the link to TS - just so you know that as well
http://fumbbl.com/help:Strength |
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Zaghrog
Joined: Dec 09, 2005
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Jul 18, 2008 - 20:45 |
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| Woodstock wrote: | | the rule is once in every ten games. |
Is it really? I thought it was not to play twice in a row against the same coach... Not that it matters, but I haven't noticed that there was a "once in 10 games" limit. |
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PorkusMaximus
Joined: May 19, 2008
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Jul 18, 2008 - 20:50 |
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I've always been a bit fuzzy about the 1/10 rule.
Does it mean literally that after I play a game vs a friend, I must plan 9 more games before I play another? Or can I play him more often as long as the number of games played vs him is 1/10 of my total games? |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Jul 18, 2008 - 20:55 |
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It's a loose rule. Let's say I play you, we have a blast, then 6 games later I play a different team of yours - fine.
If we play 3 times in 20 games... Just about OK. If we're playing every other game, trouble!
If you average out at 1/10 over a decent period of time, it's fine. The rule is there to stop abuse, and is worded greyly on purpose so that coaches that are having fun and not cheating don't get into trouble. As long as you aren't seeking an unfair advantage, or only playing your buddy, you've got nothing to worry about. |
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Mastergabber
Joined: Oct 17, 2007
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Jul 18, 2008 - 21:29 |
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Team Rating
The first number. Computed as described in LRB 4. Starts with 100, and hopefully grows after each match. Only if you lose or retire players, your team rating will drop. It will drop a few too when you buy a new reroll. A FF decrease does not drop the teamrating unless you conceded the match. Otherwise it is compensated by the MVP. Difference in Team Rating does trigger handicaps.
Team Strength
The second number. Computation based more on how strong the team actually is. Should have been around the same as the team rating and increases and decreases with the team rating, but ageing/serious injuries and/or nice New Skill rolls or good/bad skill picking makes the team strength differ. Not every player is always counted fully. Only in teams with 12 or 13 players each player is counted in full strength. Difference in team strength does not trigger handicaps, but games with a TS difference between the two teams of 40 or more will not be reported.
Coach Ranking
Something completely different, what starts at 150. It will increase when you win and decrease when you lose. The speed of that, and what happens when there is a draw, depends on the difference in team strengths, the difference in coach rankings, and racial odds. The by many coaches hated "cherrypickers" often play games in which they are likely to win, but since that is expected, their coach ranking increases slowly when they win, but decreases fast when they don't win. The 'Law of Holding the Numbers' applies: After each match the sum of the coach rankings of both coaches are equal to their sum before the game started.
I hope you now are informed well about the different rankings. |
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