xcver
Joined: Mar 10, 2005
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Jan 20, 2009 - 15:09 |
 
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What about the decision for TS values of 0-1 Rerolls and Leader. Any interest in a change on that topic? |
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johan
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 20, 2009 - 15:13 |
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There's a very easy solution to this - simply remove the rebate. No-one would play without RRs if they didn't get this rebate, and no-one accidentally winds up with no RRs. This means that the only effect of the rebate is that it encourages TS metagaming. It serves no real purpose whatsoever. |
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xcver
Joined: Mar 10, 2005
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Jan 20, 2009 - 15:36 |
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Whatever the solution will be, that can be added to the issue list imo |
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gobogen
Joined: Apr 16, 2006
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Jan 20, 2009 - 15:56 |
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I've noticed that teams with much higher TS than TR are often playing teams with much higher TR than TS, like a 210/190 team playing a 160/170 team for example. I understand why this happens (handicaps compensate for TS difference), but I do find that it is a strange matchup and it can often lead to unfair matches. This is actually the only way in which the handicap rule will apply, so is this by design? My opinion is that it's a mistake to do it this way.
Sorry if this was addressed before. |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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Jan 23, 2009 - 11:50 |
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Balle2000
Joined: Sep 25, 2008
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Jan 23, 2009 - 18:59 |
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I think Blackbox in the long run will need 3 things.
- an everyday championship factor (like Ranked and Faction)
- tournaments
- awards (why can't someone's hard fought 100 wood elf matches in the Box be awarded?)
... implemented sooner rather than later, for massively increased motivation.
Cheers |
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treborius
Joined: Apr 05, 2008
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Apr 19, 2009 - 13:02 |
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hi there, i'm just playing a game in the box - got scheduled with my skaven team at 137/134.
i'm absolutely positive, though, that i activated my undead as preferred team.
their (the undead's) tr/ts was exactly identical (137/134) - i thought that BWR / BBR supposedly
weren't involved in the match-ups anymore?
anyone got an explanation?  |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Apr 19, 2009 - 14:05 |
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it tries to avoid mirror mtatches? |
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treborius
Joined: Apr 05, 2008
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Apr 19, 2009 - 14:58 |
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| pythrr wrote: | | it tries to avoid mirror mtatches? |
good thought, hadn't considered that.
last undead match was vs. mnemon and he wasn't even in the draw of that black-box round at all.
so that can't be it 
EDIT:
Found 12 coaches.
- mamapepe87 vs gansus (Lizardmen 107/104 vs 106/105 Khemri) @881
- treborius vs Pulpo_Fiction (Skaven 137/134 vs 132/134 Dwarf) @891
- emrick vs On1 (Orc 215/184 vs 206/185 Ogre) @877
- spathii vs maznaz (Orc 173/170 vs 183/182 Dwarf) @884
- Nature_Warden vs Argos (Undead 126/127 vs 117/124 Undead) @845
- BillBrasky vs duttydave (Wood Elf 123/113 vs 115/112 Nurgle's Rotters) @881
Scheduled 6 matches
...that's the round in question |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Apr 19, 2009 - 15:04 |
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no, mirror as in same race vs same race? |
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treborius
Joined: Apr 05, 2008
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Apr 19, 2009 - 15:34 |
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| pythrr wrote: | | no, mirror as in same race vs same race? |
nah, not possible - my last Undead-match is 13 Box-games ago (despite activating that team every single time  )
and it was vs. lizzies...
...the team i got matched against this round was Dwarf - so that (Undead vs. Dwarf) would've been an equally good match-up as the one that got scheduled, but with my preferred team... |
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TheCetusProject
Joined: May 25, 2004
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Apr 19, 2009 - 15:56 |
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According to the racial factors chart, dwarfs have a big advantage over undead at that ranking, whereas dwarfs vs skaven is fairly even, so presumably the algorithm decided that this was a fairer match. |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Apr 19, 2009 - 16:03 |
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I'd guess an unlucky combo of the racial and random factors. |
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treborius
Joined: Apr 05, 2008
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Apr 19, 2009 - 16:19 |
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| TheCetusProject wrote: | | According to the racial factors chart, dwarfs have a big advantage over undead at that ranking, whereas dwarfs vs skaven is fairly even, so presumably the algorithm decided that this was a fairer match. |
hmm, hard to believe that dwarf have a so much higher advantage vs. undead than vs. skaven (since they're loaded with tackle and gr are more important to skaven than ghouls to undead), but i guess that would be possible...
...when i read it correctly, Dwarf have 55.59% chance vs. undead at that level (TS=130..150) and "only" 50.63 vs. skaven?
| SillySod wrote: | | I'd guess an unlucky combo of the racial and random factors. |
what are "random factors"? |
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treborius
Joined: Apr 05, 2008
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Apr 19, 2009 - 16:29 |
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ok, i've trimmed my skaven to 138/133 (undead are still 137/134) and we'll see what happens next round...
...needless to say that i'll make the undead my preferred team, again
...i also have not played my ogres for almost 35 games, though i rarely got to play the one i activated
...it's all very puzzling
EDIT: well, i played 7 more games till now - neither my Undead nor my Skaven got drawn again (though i've activated my Undead every time)...
...i'll know more (and post) when either team gets drawn by the scheduler |
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