DukeTyrion
Joined: Feb 18, 2004
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Nov 29, 2008 - 02:06 |
 
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Well, the discussions about Blackbox have ebbed and flowed, but Mr Christer seems to have found the middle ground to keep the majority happy.
The next question is, when can have a look at BR (and maybe BBR), as I would be interested in seeing who is at the top.
It might also be nice for those who are playing up TS regularly, as when they spot they are in the top 20, they will know it's for a worthy reason.
Sooo, what's the chances of unwrapping the Pandora's Box of BR?  |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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But surely all it can ever show is form as the nature of the division will tend it back toward average.
As the measure is calculated and used now it cannot be comparative. |
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Christer
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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| PurpleChest wrote: | | As the measure is calculated and used now it cannot be comparative. |
I disagree. Mind elaborating why you believe that? |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Nov 29, 2008 - 10:58 |
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i'd prefer it to be hidden. i really don't want to know... |
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Shivkala
Joined: Jun 07, 2007
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Nov 29, 2008 - 11:20 |
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| PurpleChest wrote: | But surely all it can ever show is form as the nature of the division will tend it back toward average.
As the measure is calculated and used now it cannot be comparative. |
My understanding is that the BR will indeed show the correct ranking of coaches. It's just that the spread is smaller due to the inclusion of BR in the matching formula. So instead of 130 - 190 like CR, it will more likely be something like 140-170. But I don't expect the overall ranking to be wrong (after a sufficient number of games of course).
Oh, and Christer, please let us have a look at BR, so that we don't have to guess anymore  |
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PeteW
Joined: Aug 05, 2005
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Nov 29, 2008 - 11:27 |
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It would be nice to have some kind of measure of skill or ability, otherwise I think BB might lose interest for many. BR would be one measure, although I guess there could be others - win % etc. |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Nov 29, 2008 - 11:30 |
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| PurpleChest wrote: | But surely all it can ever show is form as the nature of the division will tend it back toward average.
As the measure is calculated and used now it cannot be comparative. |
I think that would have been true before the max TS diff tweak the other day and other tweaks that have brought TSs closer together.
As it is now, I wouldn't mind having a look. I don't think BR would be perfect, perhaps a [B] win % on the coach page might be nice (like Pete says) instead, but it can't hurt to have it public I wouldn't have thought? |
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Forrest_Gump
Joined: Sep 25, 2003
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Nov 29, 2008 - 11:42 |
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*Agrees with duke*  |
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TBK
Joined: Feb 03, 2006
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Nov 29, 2008 - 11:54 |
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I have a question slightly off topic. Is there some sort of penalty for the people that refuse to play the match they have been assigned by the black box? It seems to me like there should be but then considering the fact the the black box might give completely riddiculous opponent from time to time (still never happened to me) it might be difficult to implement. I must say that I find the black box idea wonderful and I hope it bocems a thriving part of the FUMBBL community. Thank you Christer for your continued effort to satisfy this slightly ungrateful community  |
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svemole
Joined: Feb 09, 2006
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Nov 29, 2008 - 12:00 |
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I would like to see the BR. |
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PeteW
Joined: Aug 05, 2005
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Nov 29, 2008 - 12:17 |
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| TBK wrote: | | I have a question slightly off topic. Is there some sort of penalty for the people that refuse to play the match they have been assigned by the black box? It seems to me like there should be but then considering the fact the the black box might give completely riddiculous opponent from time to time (still never happened to me) it might be difficult to implement. I must say that I find the black box idea wonderful and I hope it bocems a thriving part of the FUMBBL community. Thank you Christer for your continued effort to satisfy this slightly ungrateful community |
I guess that whilst the BBox is in testing there won;t be any procedure for punishing dropping coaches, but when the division goes official, droppings and illegal concessions will be dealt with as per fumbbl rules. |
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Bytez0r
Joined: May 28, 2005
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Nov 29, 2008 - 12:45 |
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ya i think it should be viewable aswell. more stats to geek around with |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Nov 29, 2008 - 13:01 |
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BR would be a cool thing to be able to see. Especially since high BR gives you tougher games... might as well have the bragging rights to compensate for that
I still think that BR should be done on a team by team basis too |
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WG|Dark_Angel
Joined: Dec 18, 2004
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Nov 29, 2008 - 13:05 |
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| Quote: | | Especially since high BR gives you tougher games... might as well have the bragging rights to compensate for that |
qft |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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| WG|Dark_Angel wrote: | | Quote: | | Especially since high BR gives you tougher games... might as well have the bragging rights to compensate for that |
qft |
qft
It is my understanding that this would mean BR couldnt be comparative.
Coach A will have had a tougher fixture list than coach B, but both could end up with the same BR rating and now be facing equal games in the future, but as their path to that rating is unabalanced, then the rating itself surely shows their abitlity to beat the formula, not a comparative measure against each other.
But as Christer, whose knoweldge of maths and the rating system is abusrdly greater than mine seems to dissagree, maybe i have the wrong end of the stick.
If games were balanced by race/ts/tr and coach rating not a factor than i would see it as an interesting number. But to me this is theoretical as i a not playing [B]. If the [B] players want to see it, then i dont see the harm, i just question its value.
Allowing 'bragging rights' (mmm, thats not exactly healthy sounding in itself) in a division that isnt designed for fair matches, but instead for fair games, seems counter-intuitive to me. If the system works everyone should tend to the same number, if they dont, then the formula isnt working. |
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