funnyfingers
Joined: Nov 13, 2005
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Dec 24, 2008 - 04:06 |
 
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I am finding that not many coaches using the Blackbox know about the BBR that is used to calculate the matchups. This is done along with BR.
BR is like CR. Basically when you win a match against a stronger team or better coach it increases. I think it increases less against weaker and it decreases when you lose depending on the TS and BR of the match.
BBR rates your overall bashiness over all of your Blackbox teams.
In the formula BBR is worth a little less than a third of BR. BBR = .3 BR
Basically when you end a match fouling when the game is decided you will increase the possible TS that you will be matched against.
Spread the word as other coaches may not read the forums. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Dec 24, 2008 - 04:16 |
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yeah, we know. but we still do it as its funny.
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Ehlers
Joined: Jun 26, 2006
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Dec 24, 2008 - 07:31 |
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So in the long run, heavy bash khemri players should meet heavy bash Khemri players. Sounds good to me, then why tell it?
So when a Khemri player has half mauled the other team, he should stop if he has won the game in order to be able to play against not so heavy bash teams. |
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funnyfingers
Joined: Nov 13, 2005
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Dec 24, 2008 - 15:59 |
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Ehlers - Its not necessarily bashy on bashy. The higher BR and BBR go into a formula and can be offset by playing a less bashy less skill coach with a stronger team. The limit on the TS difference is 15 after taking the +5 TS per handicap.
Edit: Also remember BBR is per coach not per team. |
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Ehlers
Joined: Jun 26, 2006
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Dec 24, 2008 - 16:30 |
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yeah but then the less bashy less skill coach with a stronger team has a chance of mauling the only bash playing coach (aka have only Khemri, dorf etc team).
And if the I like front loaded Khemri coach wants to lower his BBR rating, he would either be forced to foul less or play a more none so focus bash team as Khemri. Soi more teams get into the bbox, which is a good thing unless ofcause the coach just bring dorf and chaos.
Or have I misunderstod this? |
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CircularLogic
Joined: Aug 22, 2003
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Dec 24, 2008 - 16:33 |
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Well.. another point is:
If you bash and foul, but lose, you will still get easier games, because the BR you lose weighs more than the BBR you gain. So all those teams that play for real for the first 3 turns until they are down 0-1 and then just go for the throat will get easier games, not harder ones. |
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vanGorn
Joined: Feb 24, 2004
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Dec 24, 2008 - 17:12 |
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A self-adjusting feedback system like that used in blackbox, will be striving to a stable state. |
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funnyfingers
Joined: Nov 13, 2005
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Dec 24, 2008 - 17:15 |
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| CircularLogic wrote: | Well.. another point is:
If you bash and foul, but lose, you will still get easier games, because the BR you lose weighs more than the BBR you gain. So all those teams that play for real for the first 3 turns until they are down 0-1 and then just go for the throat will get easier games, not harder ones. |
You'd get even easier ones if you didn't go for the throat though. Lower BR and lower BBR is still better even if the BBR is worth less. I'd still go full hits for the SPP, but no need for excessive fouling for CAS. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Dec 24, 2008 - 17:57 |
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metagaming is teh dullz |
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RC
Joined: Sep 22, 2005
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Dec 24, 2008 - 18:33 |
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I love meta gaming, please tell me more! |
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westerner
Joined: Jul 02, 2008
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Dec 25, 2008 - 18:19 |
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| pythrr wrote: | | metagaming is teh dullz |
Aww, are lamers using cheesy tactics on you? |
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johan
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 27, 2008 - 18:45 |
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Yes, and it's rather silly. Why should there be a trade-off between bashing and winning? Why should your non-bashy team get easier match-ups? It's like having a PBR - Pass Box Rating - that counts how many passes you've completed and adjusts the matchups accordingly. Why would that matter? |
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funnyfingers
Joined: Nov 13, 2005
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Dec 28, 2008 - 17:25 |
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Johan - the BBR is .3 the value of the BR. So the main thing is the BR between the two. Of course I have no idea how the formula is calculated otherwise and don't even know the value of the two together. |
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johan
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 28, 2008 - 21:26 |
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If the goal is to set up a match where both coaches have the same chance at winning[1], why should the level of bashing matter at all?
Teams win in different ways. Some pass, some run, some bash. Saying that bashing teams should have to pay for being so naughty is... weird.
Let the Elfballing stay in ranked.
[1] I assume that this is the goal. I don't think it's a good goal, however. Make the team match-up balanced, but don't try to balance against coaching skill. |
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