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Flix



Joined: Oct 26, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 05, 2009 - 23:44 Reply with quote Back to top

in my last game the ts difference is very high:

Example
all difference is not bigger than 5 only mine is 11. But my score says i should have the fairest matchup
<BowlBot> Found 19 coaches.
<BowlBot> - Skolopender vs Draxus (Dark Elf 90/84 vs 100/80 Wood Elf) @889
<BowlBot> - moony2k vs karlson (Chaos 106/99 vs 126/110 Orc) @867
<BowlBot> - Zeke73 vs Bergh (Dark Elf 100/105 vs 117/103 Necromantic) @839
<BowlBot> - Adrian666 vs Pastorn (High Elf 162/150 vs 153/147 Elf) @857
<BowlBot> - P vs LiteralPhilosopher (Orc 140/132 vs 136/126 Khemri) @875
<BowlBot> - Naama vs Blackwidow (Chaos 234/193 vs 213/192 Chaos) @817
<BowlBot> - Wolfrider_DK vs Ghazkhull (Orc 116/110 vs 117/105 Dark Elf) @850
<BowlBot> - boch vs Flix (Dark Elf 155/168 vs 148/157 High Elf) @897
<BowlBot> - Blainkhard vs JustusDelmar (Dwarf 157/163 vs 160/165 Wood Elf) @855

My last 10 Blackbox games
11,5,4,2,15,18,-2,14,10


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shadow46x2



Joined: Nov 22, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 05, 2009 - 23:56 Reply with quote Back to top

within the +/- 15 TS restrictions....and, since you got a handicap with the 18TS game, it falls within the 15TS restriction too...

oh, and the 19 TS game was a ranked matchup Razz

no problem..system works as programmed

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westerner



Joined: Jul 02, 2008

Post   Posted: Jan 05, 2009 - 23:58 Reply with quote Back to top

Suitability score is not totally driven by TS. It also takes BR/BBR and racial factors into account.

Btw, I checked your last 10 [B] matchups and found the following TS differences/handicaps:

-5/0 (vs Krispe)
-6/0
-19/2
-2/0
-15/1
-18/2
2/0
-14/2
-10/1
4/0 (vs Blackwidow)

for an average of -8.3TS and +0.8 handicaps.

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Flix



Joined: Oct 26, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 00:04 Reply with quote Back to top

thats what i mean why are all other games much more fair than mine?

7/11
1/5
-3/6
35/19
9/2
14/15
27/18
3/-2
39/14
-11/10
-3/-3


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Reisender



Joined: Sep 29, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 00:11 Reply with quote Back to top

win less = better matchups, hehe

but you just wanted to show off your high BR Wink
westerner



Joined: Jul 02, 2008

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 00:11 Reply with quote Back to top

as I said, the scheduler currently takes BR (coach rating), BBR (bashiness) and racial factors into account when calculating the suitability of a match. Your match was probably influenced by some of these factors. BR and BBR are not currently published.

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Flix



Joined: Oct 26, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 00:35 Reply with quote Back to top

so what i have to do is playing stupit basher teams got get better matchups?
johan



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 02:01 Reply with quote Back to top

No, since bashing also counts to give you tougher match-ups.

What you really need is a team that neither wins nor bashes.

(I recommend Pro Elves. Wink )

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sk8bcn



Joined: Apr 13, 2004

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 09:52 Reply with quote Back to top

Flix, you are at 32/8/6 in overall in Blackbox.

If there was no TS cap, the system would give you more and more tougher matchups until your results stabilize around 50%.

So basically, you will run at TS disadventage often, unless you get an opponent of the same strength as you (so the best BB coaches)

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westerner



Joined: Jul 02, 2008

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 15:40 Reply with quote Back to top

TS disadvantage can be considered a badge of pride in the Box. Smile If it happens consistently it means you're a strong coach.

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PurpleChest



Joined: Oct 25, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 15:49
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westerner wrote:
TS disadvantage can be considered a badge of pride in the Box. Smile If it happens consistently it means you're a strong coach.


and often means you will be coming back to [R].

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johan



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 16:00 Reply with quote Back to top

That's my main practical objection to the BR weighing. Even if you're a good coach, getting -10 to -15 TS matches consistently will get old really fast, even if you manage to keep your wins at 50%. This will drive great coaches away from the division, something that surely can't be intended.

I strongly recommend Christer to design the final version to schedule on (race-weighed) TS only.

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koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 16:14 Reply with quote Back to top

PurpleChest wrote:
westerner wrote:
TS disadvantage can be considered a badge of pride in the Box. Smile If it happens consistently it means you're a strong coach.


and often means you will be coming back to [R].


But as more coaches gain high BR is should be safe for you high BR (I assume) guys to return to [B] Wink

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johan



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 16:20 Reply with quote Back to top

Not likely, since those coaches with a higher BR will most likely be counterbalanced by more coaches with low BR.

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westerner



Joined: Jul 02, 2008

Post   Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 16:25 Reply with quote Back to top

johan wrote:
That's my main practical objection to the BR weighing. Even if you're a good coach, getting -10 to -15 TS matches consistently will get old really fast, even if you manage to keep your wins at 50%. This will drive great coaches away from the division, something that surely can't be intended.

I strongly recommend Christer to design the final version to schedule on (race-weighed) TS only.

I think there's very few cases of consistent -10 to -15TS matches. Almost all reported cases of TS-disadvantage I've looked at have averaged out to less than 5TS.

The 50% win philosophy has been effectively discarded by the hard cap of 15TS, and many strong coaches are able to maintain a high winning percentage. For example, using the reported numbers, Flix won 78% of his games. Is [B] totally not fun if you win 78% instead of say 90%?

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