sk8bcn
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Jan 08, 2009 - 12:14 |
 
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Referring to the other thread, it's a problem in the box.
Biggie told it happens at least once a day. And the alpha stage won't be over until it's solved.
Why not making the site simulate a concession for this, within the site itself? It would correct the rosters accordingly as if one team clicked on concession. A counter would be increase by 1 so that admin could watch who has done it too many times. Then ban from blackbox if needed.
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Reisender
Joined: Sep 29, 2007
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Jan 08, 2009 - 12:27 |
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another option (if doable) would be to keep the 2 teams scheduled and give coaches the opportunity to play their other teams in blackbox
the coach who showed up could then play another game in box while it gives the coach who didnot show up the opportunity to contact his opponent (if he had a RL emergency or a computer breakdown - which would be rare in the 5 minutes it takes to schedule but is still possible). this would also give a fair chance to (newb) coaches that clicked on activate without knowing what they were doing
a concession could then be done if the coach refuses to play the scheduled matchup |
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Espionage
Joined: Jun 08, 2005
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Jan 08, 2009 - 12:43 |
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I like Reisender's idea |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Jan 08, 2009 - 12:48 |
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i vote [a] |
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BiggieB
Joined: Feb 19, 2005
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Jan 08, 2009 - 13:12 |
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| sk8bcn wrote: | Referring to the other thread, it's a problem in the box.
Biggie told it happens at least once a day. And the alpha stage won't be over until it's solved.
Why not making the site simulate a concession for this, within the site itself? It would correct the rosters accordingly as if one team clicked on concession. A counter would be increase by 1 so that admin could watch who has done it too many times. Then ban from blackbox if needed.
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I said it happens roughly once a day with the unshedulings usually being activations by accident |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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Jan 08, 2009 - 14:04 |
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| BiggieB wrote: | | sk8bcn wrote: | Referring to the other thread, it's a problem in the box.
Biggie told it happens at least once a day. And the alpha stage won't be over until it's solved.
Why not making the site simulate a concession for this, within the site itself? It would correct the rosters accordingly as if one team clicked on concession. A counter would be increase by 1 so that admin could watch who has done it too many times. Then ban from blackbox if needed.
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I said it happens roughly once a day with the unshedulings usually being activations by accident |
So you mean there's more than once a day, then. |
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SillySod
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Jan 08, 2009 - 15:32 |
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To be honest in the final division we dont want any teams to get unscheduled whether they were caused by accident or not. Otherwise I could draw PeteWs chaos and then say "oops, there I go misclicking on that activation button again". If accidents are a genuine repeat problem then perhaps there needs to be a de-activate button instead of a "pending" sign.
Also I would like the concession to be site automated but think it needs to be something which is only available to admins or perhaps special blackbox moderators. |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Jan 08, 2009 - 15:40 |
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| SillySod wrote: | To be honest in the final division we dont want any teams to get unscheduled whether they were caused by accident or not. Otherwise I could draw PeteWs chaos and then say "oops, there I go misclicking on that activation button again". If accidents are a genuine repeat problem then perhaps there needs to be a de-activate button instead of a "pending" sign.
Also I would like the concession to be site automated but think it needs to be something which is only available to admins or perhaps special blackbox moderators. |
Yes and No.
While I agree that there shouldn't be a un-schedule after the draw is made, I think we could use an un-apply button in the 5 mins.
I mean, it DID actually happen to me.. I clicked by accident on Activate (was half drunk) and really had to go out in a few mins. If it had appened between 55 and 00 or between 25 and 30, I would have had to play.
I think no one gets hurt if it's possible to deactivate during the 5 mins time window.
Of course, if it's a genuine mistake you spot it immediatly. If you realize it was a mistake AFTER seeing your opponent, then it's not genuine and I agree you should be forced to either play or concede (and possibly get a ban too). |
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SillySod
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Jan 08, 2009 - 16:01 |
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Re-read what I wrote Jan  |
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JanMattys
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Jan 08, 2009 - 16:02 |
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| SillySod wrote: | | Re-read what I wrote Jan |
I need more sleep.
And considering the holidays have just gone and I'll have no more free days before Easter, that's totally bad news.  |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Jan 08, 2009 - 16:03 |
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No more free days at all even on weekedns? |
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westerner
Joined: Jul 02, 2008
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Jan 08, 2009 - 16:17 |
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I agree with the deactivate option within the 5 minute window. That causes no harm and can save admin effort.
I think the larger question raised is whether the standard disconnection rules should be followed (which can often take 24 hours or more) or whether there should be a shorter window, with forfeit for no-show.
As an example, suppose opponent has a RL emergency and offers to play the game that evening (in 6 hours). Should that be OK? |
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treborius
Joined: Apr 05, 2008
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Jan 08, 2009 - 18:43 |
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i vote for:
a. being able to deactivate within the 5-min-interval before the match-ups are created.
b. procedures for no-shows similar to disconnects in R - this should happen rarely when people know there are strictly-enforced procedures (may take up to 24h, though)
c. automatic forfeit-feature available to admins if no-show-causer doesn't show up within 24h and a game is scheduled (like what SillySod proposed) and also a ban if now-show-causer hasn't shown up and explained what went on (like what Jan proposed).
d. being able to activate alternative B-teams when one suffers from no-show. |
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Chingis
Joined: Jul 09, 2007
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Jan 08, 2009 - 19:17 |
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I think whatever happens with no-shows would be better if it was an immediate effect.
Part of the beauty in the Blackbox idea is not just the fair and unknown matchups, but the ability to get a game now (or at least within 29 minutes tops). The "victim" of a no-show has just lost that game, so has to wait anther thirty minutes for the next scheduling which is annoying enough, but having to wait a day would be even more annoying! It seems particulary silly as it would completely defeat one of the best points of the Blackbox in the first place. |
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Hogshine
Joined: Apr 04, 2007
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Jan 08, 2009 - 19:22 |
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| SillySod wrote: | | No more free days at all even on weekedns? |
Not in Italy. Never in Italy. |
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