stormbolt
Joined: Dec 26, 2005
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Feb 21, 2009 - 21:21 |
 
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Please reconsider the set 20 point difference in TS!
This may be fine once you've gotten the team to 150+ish (I wouldn't know, none of my 4 teams have made it that far before retirement...), but at startup it's devastating. Getting a team started is enough of an uphill battle as it is, but the gap being so big sticks you in situation that totally wrecks the fun.
Why not shorten the gap for new teams, say first 5 matches and then increase it to 20TS? Not taking measures of some sort will probably lead to a lack of coaches in the higher TR/TS, and how much fun is it playing the same 5 guys over and over again? |
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Frankenstein
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 21, 2009 - 21:28 |
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| stormbolt wrote: | | [...] how much fun is it playing the same 5 guys over and over again? |
That very much depends on who these particular 5 guys are, I'd say. |
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Kryten
Joined: Sep 02, 2003
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Actually, the maximum TS difference is 15 (including handicaps at 5 per), and the scheduler will do its best to try to find even games for all coaches in the current draw. It's a matter of getting a somewhat unbalanced matchup sometimes versus not getting matches at all. |
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stormbolt
Joined: Dec 26, 2005
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Feb 21, 2009 - 22:18 |
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Yes, I unserstand the mechanic of the game, what I'm saying is; try to see this in the long run; You have to make the box appealing to as many ppl as possible, not only the same crowd you find in all the other leagues, tournaments... whatever. If the startup is the worst part of the box, how many coaches will quit trying before they even get a decent team?
It's basic marketing! Unless the whole point of the box is to make it interesting only for those 5 coaches mentioned earlier...? |
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Snappy_Dresser
Joined: Feb 11, 2005
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Feb 21, 2009 - 22:36 |
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The issues keeping people away from Blackbox have nothing to do with this. In all honesty, I think it has missed it's chance to be a good division, and the number of coaches involved either has or soon will drop below the critical mass needed. So you'd best get used to those 5 coaches. |
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johan
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 21, 2009 - 22:37 |
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I'd suggest a hard limit of 10% of TS (counting handicaps). I can't imagine how hard it must be to find matches at a very high TS, and this would help out a bit there, while making the low-end matches more reasonable. |
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Plorg
Joined: May 08, 2005
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Feb 22, 2009 - 02:29 |
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| johan wrote: | | I'd suggest a hard limit of 10% of TS (counting handicaps). |
This idea makes a lot of sense. |
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Synn
Joined: Dec 13, 2004
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Feb 22, 2009 - 03:36 |
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Interesting..... the change to a hardcap of 15 TS in response to the fact that a bunch of coaches were going to leave because the games are too unbalanced. Then this was followed by numerous forum threads criticizing coaches for how they played, the fact that the scheduler was aiming for a 50-50 chance of winning, and how coaches were exploiting the TS calcs. During this time, the number of coaches in B shrank.
Now you propose a thread to undo step 1 in order to bring more coaches back?
Interesting......
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Feb 22, 2009 - 06:08 |
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| Snappy_Dresser wrote: | | The issues keeping people away from Blackbox have nothing to do with this. In all honesty, I think it has missed it's chance to be a good division, and the number of coaches involved either has or soon will drop below the critical mass needed. So you'd best get used to those 5 coaches. |
Hugely defeatist. If it becomes good then people will come  |
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Snappy_Dresser
Joined: Feb 11, 2005
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Feb 22, 2009 - 06:19 |
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| SillySod wrote: | | Snappy_Dresser wrote: | | The issues keeping people away from Blackbox have nothing to do with this. In all honesty, I think it has missed it's chance to be a good division, and the number of coaches involved either has or soon will drop below the critical mass needed. So you'd best get used to those 5 coaches. |
Hugely defeatist. If it becomes good then people will come |
I wish I weren't right. But the match ups have gotten worse as a certain element of coach has chased others away. The selfishness of the few spoiled it for the many. It could get better again, but with absolutely no leadership from the powers that be, why would I believe anything is going to change? |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Feb 22, 2009 - 06:40 |
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| SillySod wrote: | | Hugely defeatist. If it becomes good then people will come |
Will it become good? |
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westerner
Joined: Jul 02, 2008
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Feb 22, 2009 - 07:24 |
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Snappy, the #1 factor for playing more [B] games cited in the poll was a competitive goal. Now that people can see their BR in [B] Central, there is something shoot for and hopefully that will encourage more games. |
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stormbolt
Joined: Dec 26, 2005
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Feb 25, 2009 - 19:21 |
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Yepp and here we are. 2 more teams retired and that's it for me. The last team ended up with an opponent 19points higher in TS, by turn 3 he had 5!!! cas on me and I conceded, never to return to the box again.
It was a nice idea, but it brings about a-holes that have no interest in winning the games, just destroying the other teams.
Blackbox - may it rot in peace! |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Feb 25, 2009 - 19:24 |
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Amen? |
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Synn
Joined: Dec 13, 2004
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Feb 25, 2009 - 19:29 |
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| westerner wrote: | | Snappy, the #1 factor for playing more [B] games cited in the poll was a competitive goal. Now that people can see their BR in [B] Central, there is something shoot for and hopefully that will encourage more games. |
Which do you think is more important for a competitive coach.... having a top BR.... or winning a major qualifier?
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