westerner
Joined: Jul 02, 2008
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Feb 22, 2009 - 01:26 |
 
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With hard data from [B] Central it is now possible to do an exact racial comparison of Blackbox vs the rest of the site.
Top 5 Races Gaining Popularity in B
Khemri 5%
Chaos 4%
Orc 3%
Dwarf 2%
Ogre 2%
Top 5 Races Losing Popularity in B
Human -3%
Necromantic -2%
Norse -2%
Wood Elf -2%
Skaven -2%
Methodology Notes
B data is sourced from [B] central and excludes teams with less than 5 games played.
Site data is source from the
main race stats page.
Detailed Data Follows
Race, B Delta %, B Race %, Site Race %, B Teams, Site Teams
Orc 3% 13% 10% 186 16973
Chaos 4% 11% 7% 151 10923
Khemri 5% 9% 4% 124 5900
Dwarf 2% 8% 6% 115 10147
Dark Elf 0% 6% 7% 89 10939
Skaven -2% 6% 8% 85 12515
Chaos Dwarf 0% 5% 5% 73 7915
Undead 0% 5% 5% 68 7738
Ogre 2% 5% 3% 66 4811
Human -3% 4% 7% 62 12223
Lizardmen 0% 4% 4% 58 7413
Wood Elf -2% 4% 6% 54 9940
High Elf 0% 3% 4% 48 6438
Amazon -1% 3% 4% 40 6662
Norse -2% 3% 5% 38 8100
Nurgle's Rotters 0% 3% 3% 38 4232
Necromantic -2% 2% 5% 33 8002
Elf -1% 2% 2% 24 4039
Vampire -1% 2% 3% 23 4211
Halfling -1% 1% 2% 21 3966
Goblin -1% 1% 2% 21 3703
Total 1417 166790 |
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Zero1BB
Joined: Feb 18, 2009
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Feb 22, 2009 - 01:29 |
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treborius
Joined: Apr 05, 2008
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Feb 24, 2009 - 01:15 |
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hey westerner: nice work, thx - if you put some code-tags around the table it'd be much easier to read  |
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westerner
Joined: Jul 02, 2008
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Feb 24, 2009 - 01:45 |
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Thanks. I don't know how to use table code tags.  |
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WardenUSA
Joined: Jan 24, 2008
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Feb 24, 2009 - 01:55 |
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know how to compare this to ranked? |
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westerner
Joined: Jul 02, 2008
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Feb 24, 2009 - 02:56 |
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The full site is a reasonable proxy for [R], so these comparisons should be applicable. |
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Lofwyr
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 24, 2009 - 04:27 |
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Nice Work, Thanks.
But I think more important than the absolute changes in percent are the relative values.
So I had a look at those:
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Race Blackbox/Site Change in %
Orc 1,31 31,47%
Chaos 1,65 65,17%
Khemri 2,42 142,23%
Dwarf 1,3 30,30%
Dark Elf 0,94 -6,04%
Skaven 0,8 -19,78%
Chaos Dwarf 1,07 7,40%
Undead 1,07 6,63%
Ogre 1,62 61,75%
Human 0,59 -41,07%
Lizardmen 0,92 -7,65%
Wood Elf 0,64 -35,87%
High Elf 0,86 -13,75%
Amazon 0,71 -29,17%
Norse 0,55 -44,61%
Nurgle's Rotters 1,06 6,04%
Necromantic 0,49 -51,34%
Elf 0,7 -29,83%
Vampire 0,64 -35,56%
Halfling 0,62 -37,55%
Goblin 0,67 -33,09%
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The Numbers are small, so its not too accurate, but it shows a tendency.
I group now the teams arbitrary to show it better:
Bashers= Orcs, Chaos, Khemri, Dwarfs and Ogres
Ag-Teams= All Elves +Skaven
To sum it up, the bashers increased from 29% on the whole site to 45% in Blackbox, which is more than 1,55 times or a 55% increase, while the AG-Teams decreased from 26% to 21% (0,8 or 20% decrease).
On the whole site there are about 1,1 Bashteams per AG-Teams.
In Blackbox its about 2,16 Bashteams per AG-Team.
So you really can say, compared to rest of fumbbl: Blackbox is a Bashbox.
If thats something good or bad is not subject of this post.
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Snorri
Joined: Jun 07, 2004
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Feb 24, 2009 - 04:34 |
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Trying to work out why these statistics are important. Seems mostly a redundant exercise supporting something that was trivially obvious (even when blackbox began). |
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westerner
Joined: Jul 02, 2008
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Feb 24, 2009 - 04:38 |
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| Lofwyr wrote: | | In Blackbox its about 2,55 Bashteams per AG-Team. |
I concur with your figures except for this one:
Bash/Ag in B = 2.14, not 2.55.
But I do agree that B is lots bashier than the rest of the site. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Feb 24, 2009 - 05:17 |
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so this means that an AG team that does well (and survives) in [B] is superior to one that does well (and survives) in [R]?
starter for 10.... |
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Lofwyr
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 24, 2009 - 05:32 |
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| westerner wrote: | | Lofwyr wrote: | | In Blackbox its about 2,55 Bashteams per AG-Team. |
I concur with your figures except for this one:
Bash/Ag in B = 2.14, not 2.55.
But I do agree that B is lots bashier than the rest of the site. |
Yeah, sorry, that was a Typo. Should be 2,16. I corrected it in my above post |
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Paragon
Joined: Jun 12, 2005
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Feb 24, 2009 - 07:46 |
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| pythrr wrote: | so this means that an AG team that does well (and survives) in [B] is superior to one that does well (and survives) in [R]?
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No... What about the mythical [R] elf team that refuses to elfball, and only plays against bashers? Or the squishy [B] team that powergames TS to get lots of easy matches against underpowered opponents?
Both [B] and [R] have their advantages and disadvantages. But they are distinct environments, and the comparison is difficult. In my opinion, one team is superior to another if it is more fun to play/watch/play against. But everyone will have their own definitions.
I still enjoy playing in both divisions, and see no need for the "[B] against [R]" polarization that seems to have taken the site by storm.
Issues of racial diversity are important, since that is one of the major factors cited as limiting participation in [B]. For me, there's another statistic I'd like to see: how frequently do [R] agility teams play against basher teams? Somehow, I doubt it would be as high as 29% of the time. And if my suspicion is correct, doesn't that suggest that it's fundamentally NOT a team diversity issue... Rather, the issue would be that agility teams have a greater desire/need to pick their opponents. |
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odi
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 24, 2009 - 08:08 |
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| Paragon wrote: | | Rather, the issue would be that agility teams have a greater desire/need to pick their opponents. |
Elves perhaps, but with our superior cloning facilities preparing cheap line fodder for LOS, us skaven have no reason to pick our fights  |
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Chingis
Joined: Jul 09, 2007
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Feb 24, 2009 - 16:07 |
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A couple of things:
1. How many coaches are there in BBox? Because there are 1,415 teams currently according to the current stats. There are somewhere over 1,007 coaches in BBox (sorry for using your ranking as an example from the other thread Treborius, I'm only just above you!). So that's an awful lot of one-team coaches. At best it's 1.4 teams per coaches (not accounting for sub-5 match teams).
Which is important for:
2. You quote the number of teams, but this isn't what one is likely to play against (or with). If certain teams appeal to "one/few-team coaches" then these will be over-represented in the BBox draw, despite the raw number of teams.
Just something to consider. |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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Feb 24, 2009 - 16:34 |
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It might be 1450 teams (currently non retired)
versus 1000 coaches having played within X month.
Hence a coach who retired his teams is counted in the standings. |
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