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johan



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Jun 05, 2009 - 11:04 Reply with quote Back to top

hellvis wrote:
TheCetusProject wrote:
Rather than transfer from B to R, why not just make R tournaments open to B teams as well?


10000000 times this!


I don't know... Ranked teams have a massive advantage in being able to pump themselves up artifically. Box teams wouldn't be particularly competitive.

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Baal



Joined: Jan 30, 2006

Post   Posted: Jun 11, 2009 - 21:17 Reply with quote Back to top

TS seems broken to me (compare Necros with Orcs TS), use a fair system to calculate TS.
I´m not familiar with LRB 5 TV, maybe it´s better than LRB 4 TS.
Snappy_Dresser



Joined: Feb 11, 2005

Post   Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 19:17 Reply with quote Back to top

If it isn't more fair, it's at least as fair, and it's more transparent (the loopholes are more evident).

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SillySod



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Post   Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 22:13 Reply with quote Back to top

Team Value is not a fabulous guide.

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Grod



Joined: Sep 30, 2003

Post   Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 22:28 Reply with quote Back to top

Having just given Black Box another go, I am reminded again why I don't like it. I like to chat a bit when I play, and the black box opponents I have had don't.

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Cya

Isn't a conversation. I would have just as much fun playing against the computer to be honest.

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CircularLogic



Joined: Aug 22, 2003

Post   Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 23:52 Reply with quote Back to top

I think that is not different from ranked.

Sometimes people chat, sometimes they don`t. I try to be chatty, but usually it depends on my opponent.
Snappy_Dresser



Joined: Feb 11, 2005

Post   Posted: Jun 13, 2009 - 08:23 Reply with quote Back to top

SillySod wrote:
Team Value is not a fabulous guide.


Not what I said.

I said TS isn't any better, and is more obtuse (which it is).

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goffmogg



Joined: Jan 21, 2006

Post   Posted: Jun 13, 2009 - 12:28 Reply with quote Back to top

I would like to see the following features in blackbox

Tournaments

Awards

Rankings! Coaches (championship), races, teams, players -- all-time & periodical

Possibility to select a number of your teams for the draw
CircularLogic



Joined: Aug 22, 2003

Post   Posted: Jun 13, 2009 - 13:06 Reply with quote Back to top

Snappy_Dresser wrote:
SillySod wrote:
Team Value is not a fabulous guide.


Not what I said.

I said TS isn't any better, and is more obtuse (which it is).


There I disagree with you. TV has even more holes and loops. I wouldn`t mind that much, because inaccurate measuring unit means that the more efficient (or maybe boring?) you build your team the great advantage you have. A passblock catch elf has as much TV as a Blodge one. A +MA dwarfblitzer and a thickskull orc blitzer have exactly the same stats and skills, yet the dorf is valued higher. TV increases the advantage of underpriced players.
TS might not be perfect, but it can be improved. TV is set in stone.
Molt



Joined: Aug 04, 2003

Post   Posted: Jun 13, 2009 - 13:24 Reply with quote Back to top

CircularLogic wrote:
A +MA dwarfblitzer and a thickskull orc blitzer have exactly the same stats and skills, yet the dorf is valued higher. TV increases the advantage of underpriced players.


Well neither TR or TV can truly represent the strength of a team because that is a factor of all the players on the team. For example +Str on a Mummy on an undead team is worth more for the team than +Str on a Khemri one, as the Khemri have 3 more mummies to assist each other.

I agree though that TV is a better measure of a teams winning potential
SillySod



Joined: Oct 10, 2006

Post   Posted: Jun 13, 2009 - 13:37 Reply with quote Back to top

TV looks attractive because no ones tried it yet.

If you tried it in a massive open league and with LRB4 then you will come up against all sorts of horrible problems. While TS has plenty of issues and a stack of loopholes it still protects you from quite alot of stuff. Amazons, halflings, claws, dirty players, FF, norse... those are some of the more blatent issues that TV is going to bring up. There are a whole host of other problems, some of them predictable and others not. Using TV in blackbox the way it is at the moment really would be opening pandoras box.

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Snappy_Dresser



Joined: Feb 11, 2005

Post   Posted: Jun 14, 2009 - 01:57 Reply with quote Back to top

I can agree with that. TV won't work with LRB 4 in any venue, let alone in an open and anonymous league (where problems are magnified). Simple as that. Honestly, TS issues are about #4789 in line in the list of things that need to be fixed in [B], but it certainly gets the most press.

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sk8bcn



Joined: Apr 13, 2004

Post   Posted: Jun 15, 2009 - 13:32 Reply with quote Back to top

Grod wrote:
Having just given Black Box another go, I am reminded again why I don't like it. I like to chat a bit when I play, and the black box opponents I have had don't.

Gl

Hf

Cya

Isn't a conversation. I would have just as much fun playing against the computer to be honest.


Well as Circular said, that's a matter of persons. I don't think that [B] attracts non-social coaches more than [R].

I love [B] and hate non-chatters, so I guess you just had bad luck.

By the way I managed to play the MOST UNSOCIAL coach ever. He didn't even wrote Hi!

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sk8bcn



Joined: Apr 13, 2004

Post   Posted: Jun 15, 2009 - 13:36 Reply with quote Back to top

goffmogg wrote:
I would like to see the following features in blackbox

Tournaments

Awards

Rankings! Coaches (championship), races, teams, players -- all-time & periodical

Possibility to select a number of your teams for the draw


Awards are done!
championship exists but is cumulated with Ranked.

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odi



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Jun 15, 2009 - 14:13 Reply with quote Back to top

I actually hadnt realized that B counts for championship points too, nice. Though it would be nice if you could get a listing of coaches who only played B Smile
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