Sanglant
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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Dec 08, 2003 - 06:24 |
 
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With the changes to from the BBRC, should the TS calculations be adjusted at all?
The particular instance that comes to mind is the question of whether Piling On is now overvalued by the TS formula. Maybe there are other areas of the formula that need to be examined as well.
Is there a process/person/committee that reviews the TS formula on a periodic basis? |
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R_Spiskit
Joined: Nov 24, 2003
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Jan 08, 2004 - 14:46 |
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My dwarf longbeard was valued at 75K (cost 70K). OK, I know they are undercosted, but he got +1ST Only and his TS jumped to 150K. This cannot be serious, he does not even have AG 3.
I beleive this ST increase is overcosted in the TS ratio.
Bear in mind that he is 4/4/2/9 Block, tackle, thickskull. An Ogre is only 120K with more MA, ST, Mighty Blow etc etc. Bonehead aint that bad!! |
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Doowa
Joined: Nov 25, 2003
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Jan 08, 2004 - 14:57 |
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At some point the TS formula needs to be adjusted, if this is the time... it might be, yes  |
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odi
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 08, 2004 - 15:16 |
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I think the str calculations give too much value on some skill combo's, such as blodge. And also some stat increases are valued too much. For example a gobbo is worth 40k, but with +ma, 80k? I'd rather have 2 normal gobbos, a fling with one normal skill is still the same as a fling with no skills (15k). Put get a +ag on him and he's suddenly 67k. Well, I think the str system will never please every one. Maybe we should just stick to tr, that would also bring some odd games, when people are trying to figure out which team is stronger, the one with 10 niggles, or the one with 6 niggles, 2 -st and 2 -ma... |
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Jugular
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 08, 2004 - 15:54 |
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Dump the STR system altogether. Now we have handicaps TR is the essential part. I think MNG's should be dropped from TR for handicaps but that is all. If we keep the ST system I thought it had been adjusted already?! blodge is powerful and yes Bonehead is a negatrait. +ag should put a halfling up to more than 67k IMO. ag4, dodge and stunty is an excellent player. Not sure about the +ma on Gobbo's though. |
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Mr-Klipp
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 08, 2004 - 21:15 |
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| Jugular wrote: | | Dump the STR system altogether. Now we have handicaps TR is the essential part. |
The STR system isn't going anywhere. The point of the system was to make the rankings more meaningfull. If you base the rankings only on TR, then it is possible to always look for games against teams that are overvalued. By that, I mean teams who's actual ability to win a game is far less than their TR would suggest. This is far from a hypothetical situation, a number of the people who where at the top of the old ranking system where there only because of their ability to hunt down the most mismatched games.
If you don't like the STR stystem, don't pick your games by it, it's as simple as that. If you think it's easier to look at each team's roster yourself before playing to try and figure out just how likely it is to be a good matchup, more power to you. |
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BadMrMojo
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 08, 2004 - 21:35 |
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| Mr-Klipp wrote: | ...
If you don't like the STR stystem, don't pick your games by it, it's as simple as that. If you think it's easier to look at each team's roster yourself before playing to try and figure out just how likely it is to be a good matchup, more power to you. |
The man's got a point. You could even make a group for coaches who want to add teams specifically with the point of ignoring it. Mo' Options == Mo' Bettah. |
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Jugular
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 08, 2004 - 23:04 |
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A variation on ur usual BMM! I'm shocked  |
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BunnyPuncher
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 08, 2004 - 23:30 |
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ninja pirate something something.... |
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Matt_wyeth
Joined: Nov 29, 2003
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Jan 09, 2004 - 03:00 |
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The game was design so that so teams would be more powerful than other teams halflings are never meant to have a good shot at winning they are halflings for crist sakes and this is a game of strength and agility. so they overpriced halfling for a very valid reason halflings aren't suppose to win same with gobos. they can win but they aren't suppose to. if you decide to choose halflings and gobos don't ever expect a fair game and don't expect to win. |
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Mr-Klipp
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 09, 2004 - 03:59 |
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And yet, if you *do* win, the ranking should reflect the fact that you overcame serious obstacles to get that win, and the lower str value of halflings makes that happen. |
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swilhelm73
Joined: Oct 06, 2003
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Jan 09, 2004 - 05:44 |
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I feel fairly sure that Team strength already was modified for the BBRC changes, for example getting rid of the increased value of Piling On. I'm pretty sure it was a news item, though I have no idea how to hunt for old news postings...maybe Christer or someone else could confirm? |
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Nightbird
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 09, 2004 - 05:58 |
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Swilhelm73: I saw a news post about those changes. Christer posed it. |
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Mordachai
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 09, 2004 - 15:28 |
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I have absolutely nothing against the ST-system, but feel like I have something to say never the less... Got an idea when reading some the more negative posts about the issue and came up with an idea;
Why not have ST-ranking as a hidden feature. That way it can still be used for the ranking purpose, without "getting in the way" of the handicap system (I am much in favour of the handicap system, btw). The main downside would be not being able to get feedback on the system in the same way as is done now.
This is one solution of the problem, probably not the best one though. Less whining and more constructive thoughts would be nice, not only on this issue, but on others as well.
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Mully
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jan 09, 2004 - 15:40 |
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Mord - sorry, not a good idea (IMO of course). Too many people use the STR ratings to size up matchups. Plus since Christer has made the whole calculation public, coaches have noticed STR inconsistencies on their rosters and Christer, has in turn, made some tweaking of the formula to make the STR better. |
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