Matt_wyeth
Joined: Nov 29, 2003
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Dec 30, 2003 - 09:33 |
 
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the -2dblock is view as a last resort for most coaches, I use it liberally... has it paid off. i don't know i loose most of my games failing to pick up the ball or a botched pass. but i can say that overall i have more often than not been happy with the result of the -2dblock.
The reason for this is because it allows me to do 3 things. 1) free up manpower for more important task than trying to stop one orge. 2) cut the risk of dodging away with the new risk of the -2dblock. 3)potentially knock down big and dumb orges.
number 1 reason is the most important because now i have one man assigned to blocking that orge while other teams might send 2 or 3.
number 2 reason while dodging away on the surface seems like a much better idea it still doesn't solve the problem i have with the fact that there is a orge that can blitz me or move to the ball. and the actual difference between you falling down dodging and you falling down failing a -2d block is one in the same if you have the block skill and are agility 3. 3+ dodge to get away has a 1/3 chance of failure, the same as the -2d block with block. the 3+ dodge doesn't harm your oppenent so unless your dodging to move into an assist or to the ball this option does little to slow the plans of the enemy in fact it guarnitees that the orge did its job.. it made one player useless. while the -2d block with block has a 1 in 4 chance of pounding that orge to the ground.
so in conclusion if dodging away from the orge doesn't put pressure on the other team and you have block make the block and you might get a very pleasant supprise(to make up for all those +2dblocks you make that fail). |
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Mezir
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 30, 2003 - 10:10 |
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One difference between falling over on a dodge and failing to correctly block an ogre: getting Mighty Blowed is less than funny. 
On the whole I try to use neither 3+ dodges nor 2d blocks in my opponent's favour. However I'm not afraid of doing either if the situation calls for it. Still, if one of my linemen is standing next to an ogre... Let him. He's keeping the dumb thing occupied. Not like another lino is going to make that much difference to me. |
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Csonti
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 30, 2003 - 10:49 |
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Mezir is right. And it's even less funny to be hit by an RSC, CLAW, PO and MB player.
The other point also good. No need to dodge away at all cost. Hey, that Ogre need to roll a 2+ to get a chance to hit u, and without block he gets a decent chance to cause a turnover for his team.
-2d blocks on the other hand can be very, very usefull. Strip Ball blitz vs the ball carrier, or when u try to push somebody out of bonds. |
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Mully
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 30, 2003 - 21:11 |
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I only use the -2d block when i have block and my opponent doesnt - otherwise you are just freeing up an opposing player to lend an assist somewhere else. Strategies such as this may help explain your match record. |
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sangraal
Joined: Oct 13, 2003
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Dec 30, 2003 - 23:32 |
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One thing about this is interesting, --- in that its something that you might see a real rookie doing. What you wont see is someone with about 5 - 20 games experience doing it.
However, after 20 or so games, people start to do it again, but with more of an eye for safety(doing it last, not
doing it to that Claw & RSC Mino etc etc).
I've been playing against a newish Khemri team recently, & have had some success(& one fatal failure) doing the
-2d against Mummies with Linemen.
Also worked against an Orge team, but that was using Orc linemen with Block, against rookie Orges.
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Hovring
Joined: Oct 29, 2003
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Dec 30, 2003 - 23:37 |
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Get an elf with strip ball, leap and block and you can -2db the ballholder it works 44%, just save it for one of your last moves |
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MixX
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 30, 2003 - 23:50 |
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let's face it. 2 d against blocks should never ever be anything other than last resort choices, otherwise you should IMO *never* perform these. it might work once in a while, I've even seen it used by a goblin to bring down a Wardancer (yes that's a 1/36, I know, we get plenty of those) but if you ever base anything on it working you are asking for trouble.. |
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Zy-Nox
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Dec 31, 2003 - 00:24 |
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Lets see, in a game i had the other day, my oppo , as his first action 2db my choice on my wolf, double pow , niggled wolf ... how i laughed !!!!!!!! =] |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Jan 03, 2004 - 13:32 |
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My snottlings have been known to throw 3 dice blocks! And thats without block! All though of course with snottlings when ur doing that, its a last resort...
Lets face it, the reason most people throw 2d blocks against is because they miscalculate guard players or assists, or it is the only way to stop a try. |
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orochinagi
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 20, 2004 - 12:33 |
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there's a 2 die block art?
hmmm... didn't even knew it was considered an "art" |
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Michael_Warblade
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 20, 2004 - 12:37 |
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Well its not really although sometimes you just have to do it and occasionally it actually works (which infuriates your opponent no end especially if it causes a cas against him) and sometimes it is nessesary for example against ogres (especially if you have block and they dont) |
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MixX
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 20, 2004 - 12:42 |
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a very valid point, rookie dwarf teams can do this quite succesfully against lizards, orcs or chaos with their str4-but-no-block guys.. that being said, chances are that it won't work.. especially if it's important that it works, if it's just a joke of no tactical importance, expect to see double pow's every time.. |
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Theaxman
Joined: Aug 26, 2003
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Feb 20, 2004 - 12:47 |
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As Norse i frequently use -2db blocks and come out of it very well. in 1 recent game against a khemri team i had 5 occasions where my -2db came up dbl pow(of course this was more luck than judgement). the will always be my last blocks but i usually to 2 or 3 a turn |
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Dog44221
Joined: Jan 13, 2004
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Feb 21, 2004 - 20:14 |
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If the big dumd guy doesn't have block and I do. I throw it all the time. |
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AeoN2
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 21, 2004 - 20:35 |
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I usually only use -2db when against no block with block, and only after I've done everything else useful I can and dodging is not an idea.
Chance to skull: about 30% (with reroll down to about 9,3%)
Chance to knock down opponent: 25%
And in addition to that there are pushbacks that can be quite beneficial in many circumstances. -2db can be a wise tactical choice when you know when to use it and when not to.
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