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Mr_Foulscumm



Joined: Mar 05, 2005

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 17:33 Reply with quote Back to top

I'm just curious. Because some team builds just don't seem quite right.

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team&op=view&team_id=641881

This makes me wonder what gives with Team Value. Yes it's obviously built to take on bashers. But at the TV the team is at, and has always been at it works equally as well vs AG teams.

This seems quite cheesy to be honest. What am I missing here?

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Frankenstein



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 17:46 Reply with quote Back to top

The only cheesy thing I can see is the team's treasury (at least if there won't be inducements in tournaments).
MadTias



Joined: Jun 19, 2004

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 17:54 Reply with quote Back to top

Hey, I just played that team! Passive Resistance chalks up another draw.
t0tem



Joined: Mar 29, 2010

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 18:34 Reply with quote Back to top

are you getting at that marauders are too cheap?

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Woodstock



Joined: Dec 11, 2004

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 18:39 Reply with quote Back to top

It is cheesy... Expect to find more cheesy line-ups, the power of FUMBBL!
Mr_Foulscumm



Joined: Mar 05, 2005

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 18:39 Reply with quote Back to top

t0tem wrote:
are you getting at that marauders are too cheap?


Yes

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TheSpoonyBard



Joined: Aug 16, 2005

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 18:40 Reply with quote Back to top

This just in, pact a horribly designed roster. And now Bob with the weather.

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pizzamogul



Joined: Jun 13, 2005

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 18:42 Reply with quote Back to top

I don't understand what's wrong with a human lineman with mutations access for the price of a human lineman. It's okay because it's fluffy!

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MadTias



Joined: Jun 19, 2004

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 18:43 Reply with quote Back to top

pizzamogul wrote:
I don't understand what's wrong with a human lineman with mutations access for the price of a human lineman. It's okay because it's fluffy!

Also S access.
TheSpoonyBard



Joined: Aug 16, 2005

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 18:44 Reply with quote Back to top

Indeed. Making a race like another race except just plain better is how you balance a game.

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Mr_Foulscumm



Joined: Mar 05, 2005

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 18:44 Reply with quote Back to top

pizzamogul wrote:
I don't understand what's wrong with a human lineman with mutations access for the price of a human lineman. It's okay because it's fluffy!


Yes, and the Strength Access was just thrown in coz they're so cute. Smile

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Garion



Joined: Aug 19, 2009

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 18:55 Reply with quote Back to top

They also get P access too, mostly useless i know but they still get a bonus re-roll every game for a small 20k tv increase.

Mr_Foulscumm wrote:
t0tem wrote:
are you getting at that marauders are too cheap?


Yes


They should just be forced to play with 3 big guys from the start as part of their fluff. But since they are not, then yes the marauders are too cheap.

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Ravenmore



Joined: Sep 10, 2008

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 19:01 Reply with quote Back to top

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team&op=view&team_id=641984

My team, 1050 TV. 9 Linemen + what amounts to two Elf renegades (even if one seems kinda hairy and big) one of them a blodger. The rest have a bunch of skills and a +ST as a cherry on top. And three re-rolls to boot.

1050TV gets me matched up against rookie teams with two skills =)

However, with all this I'm still at a disadvantage against the common cheesy starter teams like Amazons/Dwarfs and somewhat Norse or Orcs. So I guess it's not THAT much a big deal.

It's not bad design, just not munchkin-proof enough for fumbbl standards.

I say force pact to have all 3 big guys whenever possible. Ban amazons. Ban dwarves. Make BBox a happy place Smile
Carnis



Joined: Feb 03, 2009

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 19:04 Reply with quote Back to top

I dont think the pact team has much major/tournament winning potential at high TV though. But yes, the 12 marauder + 1 DE build is very efficient.

Another efficient build if you're looking for it is 6 chaos dwarves & 6 hobgobs.

Metapicking is a feature of B that is it's main downside, it's all the rage in Cyanide too. People regularily play orcs with 4x BOB, 4x Blitzer and skip the troll cause it's too much TV for the optimal orc TVrange (eg. right below below Chaos optimal TV Wink ).
TheSpoonyBard



Joined: Aug 16, 2005

Post   Posted: Jan 30, 2011 - 19:07 Reply with quote Back to top

Ravenmore wrote:
It's not bad design, just not munchkin-proof enough for fumbbl standards


Where I come from, "not munchkin-proof" is a sign of bad design.

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