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Metadone



Joined: Jun 02, 2009

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 14:36 Reply with quote Back to top

Hi,

I was spectating a match 2-3 days ago where a vampire got hurt and didn't regen. By the looks of it, the coach must have been proposed to use the apo following this regen failure as the vampire was saved by the apo. As far as I understand, the apo can't be used on a regenerating player.

Although I'm not a very regular player, may I take this opportunity to take my hat off to everyone who has been, is and will be working on this project. I know jack$hit to programming but I can only imagine it's a big project. Well done guys!

Kind regards,
Meta
Woodstock



Joined: Dec 11, 2004

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 14:39 Reply with quote Back to top

Vampires no longer have the Undead skill, so I assume apo's can be used on them.
Metadone



Joined: Jun 02, 2009

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 14:41 Reply with quote Back to top

Might be my bad, just reread the rules and the description of regeneration indicates that a regen roll can be made after a casualty has happened and after the apo has failed so yes they can use it.

However, I remember seeing the apo roll happening after the regen roll had failed where it should be the other way round (apo, then regen).

Sorry for the confusion.

Kind regards,
Meta
zakatan



Joined: May 17, 2008

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 14:41 Reply with quote Back to top

Actually the use of the apo is before regen is rolled. Other than that, only players with undead skill can't use apo.

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Urrghs



Joined: Dec 23, 2007

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 14:46 Reply with quote Back to top

Yes definately; first the apo roll; then the regeneration roll.

Did not pay attention so far, which sequence is used by the FFB client.
Carnis



Joined: Feb 03, 2009

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 14:48 Reply with quote Back to top

Its apo first in ffb, this only happens with vampires though and is infact implemented correctly, but this is NOT one of the big list of gamebreaking or altering bugs that are related to vampires & their bloodlust mostly.
srjuanone



Joined: Mar 25, 2009

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 14:51 Reply with quote Back to top

if u use the apo on a regen player and you keep the new result, can the player still use regen??


Thx
uuni



Joined: Mar 12, 2010

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 14:51 Reply with quote Back to top

The OP may have a lead on something. I was in the belief that Zakatan described, so that the apo would be used before Regeneration. However I read the rules again, and Regeneration skill says the following: "If the player suffers a Casualty result on the Injury table, then roll a D6 for Regeneration after the roll on the Casualty table and after any Apothecary roll, if allowed."

Does this mean that you can use the Regeneration skill on the naked cas result and after that you can again use it on the apoed cas result?

I think this may be a difference between LRB6 and CRP.
nin



Joined: May 27, 2005

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 14:52 Reply with quote Back to top

Almost makes me start a new Vamp team.

By the way, it works that way with Trolls too (as it used to).
Metadone



Joined: Jun 02, 2009

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 14:53 Reply with quote Back to top

uuni wrote:
Does this mean that you can use the Regeneration skill on the naked cas result and after that you can again use it on the apoed cas result


That's what I remember seeing but my memory might deserve me. Guess I'll have to play my new vamp team, buy an apo and pray for a CAS on one of them to see. Unless someone wants to guyneapig this Smile

Meta


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zakatan



Joined: May 17, 2008

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 14:55 Reply with quote Back to top

srjuanone wrote:
if u use the apo on a regen player and you keep the new result, can the player still use regen??


Thx

yes

@uuni: you can obviously only roll regen once. The "and" links both the casualty roll and the apo roll. So you regen after both (if allowed/desired) happened.
uuni



Joined: Mar 12, 2010

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 15:11 Reply with quote Back to top

@zakatan: so the original message of:
"If the player suffers a Casualty result on the Injury table, then roll a D6 for Regeneration after the roll on the Casualty table and after any Apothecary roll, if allowed."
means the same as:
"If the player suffers a Casualty result on the Injury table, then roll a D6 for Regeneration after both the roll on the Casualty table and --- the Apothecary roll, if allowed."
and not the same as:
"If the player suffers a Casualty result on the Injury table, then roll a D6 for Regeneration, after the roll on the Casualty table, and again after any Apothecary roll, if allowed."

Is it like this? In finnish we use the punctuation to implicitly differ the two cases. Ah, language! Razz
zakatan



Joined: May 17, 2008

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 15:15 Reply with quote Back to top

uuni wrote:
@zakatan: so the original message of:
"If the player suffers a Casualty result on the Injury table, then roll a D6 for Regeneration after the roll on the Casualty table and after any Apothecary roll, if allowed."
means the same as:
"If the player suffers a Casualty result on the Injury table, then roll a D6 for Regeneration after both the roll on the Casualty table and --- the Apothecary roll, if allowed."
and not the same as:
"If the player suffers a Casualty result on the Injury table, then roll a D6 for Regeneration, after the roll on the Casualty table, and again after any Apothecary roll, if allowed."

Is it like this? In finnish we use the punctuation to implicitly differ the two cases. Ah, language! Razz


yup. Many skill descriptions are poorly worded in the BloodBowl Rulebooks, such as this one, and are open to interpretation.
f_alk



Joined: Sep 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 15:16 Reply with quote Back to top

zakatan wrote:
Actually the use of the apo is before regen is rolled. Other than that, only players with undead skill can't use apo.


Just to be smartassing as bit: As there is no undead skill, it is only players of the teams who can't buy an apo, Star Players, and eaten players who can't be apo'ed
zakatan



Joined: May 17, 2008

Post   Posted: Feb 16, 2011 - 15:19 Reply with quote Back to top

f_alk wrote:
zakatan wrote:
Actually the use of the apo is before regen is rolled. Other than that, only players with undead skill can't use apo.


Just to be smartassing as bit: As there is no undead skill, it is only players of the teams who can't buy an apo, Star Players, and eaten players who can't be apo'ed


oh well, i guess zombis then could be apoed if they had an available apo... The limitation is not on the players but on the team Smile

smartassing the smartass!
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