uuni
Joined: Mar 12, 2010
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Apr 21, 2012 - 20:30 |
 
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I am most certain that you can not use Hail Mary Pass if you are not currently taking a Pass Action as per p 7 of the rules.
If someone really has any meritable theoretical framework that passing the ball does not require a Pass Action, please clarify yourself. |
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Rabe
Joined: Jun 06, 2009
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Apr 21, 2012 - 20:34 |
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With Blunderbuss you were able to do so... but alas, it's gone. No gnome trick 17 anymore (throwing and running a gnome into the endzone, then "passing" the ball to him with a blunderbuss).  |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Apr 21, 2012 - 20:48 |
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So can we HMP on a TTM attempt? Pretty sure it doesn't work since they are limited to quick passes or some such... but it would be hilarious if it worked!  |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Apr 21, 2012 - 20:49 |
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| uuni wrote: | I am most certain that you can not use Hail Mary Pass if you are not currently taking a Pass Action as per p 7 of the rules.
If someone really has any meritable theoretical framework that passing the ball does not require a Pass Action, please clarify yourself. |
ok, i'll bite.
I have HMP.
I catch a bomb.
Can I HMP the bomb back? |
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dode74
Joined: Aug 14, 2009
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Apr 21, 2012 - 20:55 |
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| pythrr wrote: | | uuni wrote: | I am most certain that you can not use Hail Mary Pass if you are not currently taking a Pass Action as per p 7 of the rules.
If someone really has any meritable theoretical framework that passing the ball does not require a Pass Action, please clarify yourself. |
ok, i'll bite.
I have HMP.
I catch a bomb.
Can I HMP the bomb back? |
Yes:
"A bomb may be intercepted or caught using the same rules for catching the ball, in which case the player catching it must throw it again immediately. This is a special bonus Action that takes place out of the normal sequence of play."
I don't see that as anything other than creating the exception to the requirement to be otherwise making a Pass Action.
| garion wrote: | | Then comes the problem that if the sequence works as people are suggesting then you must declare the pb when Pass is declared which causes more big problems. |
No, it's declared when the pass is declared, not the Pass Action. The pass (small p) is declared when the target is declared, in the same way that a block is declared when the target is declared despite the fact that the Block Action is declared before any targets are selected. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Apr 21, 2012 - 21:02 |
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Neat. So getting HMP...
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Niebling
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 21, 2012 - 21:04 |
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Really what does it matter, we are takling about a skill no one hardly ever uses and a skill no one ever uses.
How often are we going to end in a situation where both skills are in play?
I say code what ever makes it done the fastes!
On a personal note I dont Think the skills Can be used together  |
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uuni
Joined: Mar 12, 2010
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Apr 21, 2012 - 21:10 |
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Ah, indeed HMP can be used on the nameless (Throw-a-bomb?) Action that is specified in the Bombardier skill description. True.
As per TTM, the HMP skill description forbids it: | Rules p65, Hail Mary Pass wrote: | | This skill may not be used in a Blizzard or with the Throw Team-Mate skill. |
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Please remember, that the game is specified to consist of sequential Actions as per p 7 of the rules. Action is different than the things done in an Action - Block Action is different than throwing of a block; Pass Action is different than passing the ball. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Apr 21, 2012 - 22:06 |
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Remember what now? Who are you, my mother? |
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propuppetmaster
Joined: Feb 27, 2007
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Apr 21, 2012 - 22:53 |
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If HMP isn't a pass action, we can pass the ball to a player with HMP and then do a HMP? |
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BooAhl
Joined: Sep 02, 2004
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Apr 21, 2012 - 23:07 |
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The pass skill can be used with HMP.
just saying |
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zakatan
Joined: May 17, 2008
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Apr 21, 2012 - 23:16 |
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so if you have 2 HMP bombers and a third player with the ball and HMP it can be a Hail Mary Festival |
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pizzamogul
Joined: Jun 13, 2005
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Apr 21, 2012 - 23:17 |
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Let's say someone HMPasses a bomb and one of my players manages to catch it and successfully re-HMPasses it back. The Bomb then scatters and is miraculously caught by the original player on the original team who now has the opportunity to HMP it again, BUT he fumbles the bomb. That player happens to have Pro! Can he use it to attempt to reroll? |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Apr 21, 2012 - 23:25 |
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If HMP was NOT a pass move you could pass to your goblin/snot/halfling (using HMP) and still TTM. Of course it is a pass move so the point is mute. |
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propuppetmaster
Joined: Feb 27, 2007
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