WhatBall
Joined: Aug 21, 2008
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Jul 31, 2012 - 16:37 |
 
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| Christer wrote: | | No, I meant more of drawing proper miniature bases as a base. Kinda like the shadow circles that are at the base of (most of) the current icons. That'd probably look better if we opted for a tilted perspective. |
Ahh, I see. I'm not big on giving them bases like miniatures. With SVG I would rather do a rotate 90 ccw for stun (home team) and rotate 90 cw for prone with the slashes that we currently use on top. Would not be perfect, but acceptable. |
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WhatBall
Joined: Aug 21, 2008
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Jul 31, 2012 - 16:39 |
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| Christer wrote: | | I'm absolutely for a SVG puppet type system. I could even see a use for having individual parts on the site, allowing people to put together their own icons by picking parts. |
This exactly what I was getting at with my post. I would love to work on this type of system for the icons. This would be fun and challenging. I couldn't foresee myself making another set of a few thousand bitmap icons. |
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Verminardo
Joined: Sep 27, 2006
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Jul 31, 2012 - 16:54 |
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Can I just say how awesome it is that you guys are willing to put so much time and effort into Fumbbl. Customizable icons would be really great. I presume that however customized, you would still have some unique features that let you distinguish, say, any Blitzer from any Lineman? |
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stej
Joined: Jan 05, 2009
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Jul 31, 2012 - 17:01 |
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WhatBall
Joined: Aug 21, 2008
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Jul 31, 2012 - 17:04 |
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| Verminardo wrote: | | I presume that however customized, you would still have some unique features that let you distinguish, say, any Blitzer from any Lineman? |
I had thought about this and would ideally have a different pose for each position. Linemen with arms at the side, blitzer with one arm up in a striking position, etc. This would require some position-specific equipment, but wouldn't be a big issue. |
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uuni
Joined: Mar 12, 2010
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Jul 31, 2012 - 17:06 |
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I think SVG sounds excellent. If the field would also be downscalable, the game could also work on Java running mobiles. Currently the height is problem for minilaptops and mobiles. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jul 31, 2012 - 17:07 |
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For us that have no idea about what you guys are on about. Would svg look much better too? |
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WhatBall
Joined: Aug 21, 2008
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Jul 31, 2012 - 17:19 |
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| Garion wrote: | | For us that have no idea about what you guys are on about. Would svg look much better too? |
SVG is scalable vector graphics. Vector instead of bitmap allows for scaling without loss, so at any size, the icons would look clean. We could get more detail at larger sizes, but it will still likely be a clean looking icon with nice shading and blends. I wouldn't expect ultra-realistic texturing, but who knows.
So yes, it would look better, especially as you went to larger screen resolutions. |
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Christer
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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It'd be great to do a proof of concept of this at some point, just to see how icons could end up looking at different scales. |
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WhatBall
Joined: Aug 21, 2008
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Jul 31, 2012 - 17:24 |
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I will work on that once the Stunty icons and beta testing is done. |
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blader4411
Joined: Oct 18, 2009
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Jul 31, 2012 - 17:28 |
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Question: I've heard about the issues before, but how bad is it to scale an LCD screen at non-native resolutions? |
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WhatBall
Joined: Aug 21, 2008
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Jul 31, 2012 - 19:50 |
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@Blader: It usually looks like pants. Lots of blurring. |
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Christer
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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| blader4411 wrote: | | Question: I've heard about the issues before, but how bad is it to scale an LCD screen at non-native resolutions? |
It's bad. Just consider three pixels like this (with numbers being color intensity):
|1|5|1|
Then stretch that to 4 (which is the equivalent of scaling from 2560 wide to 1920 wide) using something along the lines of "nearest neighbor":
|1|5|5|1|
Another way would be to interpolate colors:
|1|4|4|1|
To illustrate this, here's a view of what happens with text:
From top to bottom, these are the original, nearest neighbor, linear and cubic interpolation. None of the scaled versions are very good as you can see...
The nearest neighbor version gets weird artifacts (see the last O for example), while the linear and cubic versions get blurry. In reality, a LCD panel is a bit better at scaling than this, but this is more or less the same principle that makes non-optimal resolutions on a LCD look blurry. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jul 31, 2012 - 19:59 |
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Christer
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Oh, and just to give you an idea of what my icon scaler does.. Here are a couple of examples (original on the left):
 
 
 
The system works fairly well IMO, but it's nothing compared to hand-drawn stuff obviously.  |
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