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Goblin Gambling?
aww yeahhh!
47%
 47%  [ 21 ]
Hells no.
15%
 15%  [ 7 ]
im not going to win so don't care.
18%
 18%  [ 8 ]
i'd gamble for pie.
18%
 18%  [ 8 ]
Total Votes : 44


Verminardo



Joined: Sep 27, 2006

Post   Posted: Jul 22, 2013 - 15:45 Reply with quote Back to top

My Underworld needz moar Goblin! Very Happy
Ziggyny



Joined: Mar 20, 2013

Post   Posted: Jul 22, 2013 - 17:17 Reply with quote Back to top

Human Ogres have throw team mate! But it would be so depressing to have the goblin die on the first throw attempt.
JimmyFantastic



Joined: Feb 06, 2007

Post   Posted: Jul 22, 2013 - 17:18 Reply with quote Back to top

Shame humans will never win a Blackbox Major!

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Dan-Da-Man



Joined: May 14, 2012

Post   Posted: Jul 22, 2013 - 17:21 Reply with quote Back to top

Verminardo wrote:
My Underworld needz moar Goblin! Very Happy


pretty crap prize if you play underworld lol

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Verminardo



Joined: Sep 27, 2006

Post   Posted: Jul 22, 2013 - 17:33 Reply with quote Back to top

Well if I nuffled my way to unforlorning UW with a TV 1000k entry eternal glory would be price enough. Alas, it does not seem too likely. Laughing
Dominik



Joined: Oct 29, 2004

Post   Posted: Jul 26, 2017 - 17:19 Reply with quote Back to top

Only four of the eight winners of Black Cup have welcomed the prize, an underworld Goblin, into their team. I think that this clearly classifies such a prize as garbage and should be replaced with something valuable.
mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Jul 26, 2017 - 18:33 Reply with quote Back to top

Dominik wrote:
Only four of the eight winners of Black Cup have welcomed the prize, an underworld Goblin, into their team. I think that this clearly classifies such a prize as garbage and should be replaced with something valuable.


Like an egg timer?
Dominik



Joined: Oct 29, 2004

Post   Posted: Jul 26, 2017 - 18:41 Reply with quote Back to top

Is it better than an Underworld Goblin with the skill Pro for a value of 70.000 gold?
mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Jul 26, 2017 - 18:59 Reply with quote Back to top

Dominik wrote:
Is it better than an Underworld Goblin with the skill Pro for a value of 70.000 gold?


It would be a godsend for some whose games routinely go over 120 minutes.
PurpleChest



Joined: Oct 25, 2003

Post   Posted: Jul 26, 2017 - 19:21 Reply with quote Back to top

As I have no voice in the decision as to what the prize is I feel free to comment.

Dominik is being selfish and is plain wrong.

Too often we have seen major winning teams use the advantages they gain to dominate the majors for the next few years. Under my watch prizes were reduced. Still fun, fluffy and team benefiting, but less game breaking. I still hold this is a good line to aim for.

Also Underworld Goblins are AWESOME. The only team that can't find a use for it is Underworld, and they never win anything. He was given pro to reduce his effectiveness (and slow his growth), as otherwise i feared he might be overpowered as a prize.

He is stunty, and can dodge into anywhere.
He has ag3, many teams need that.
He can mutate, an option 2/3rds of teams lack.
He can be TTM'd, creating new plays for many rosters.
EVERYONE tries to kill them, making them good diversions.
Goblins are fun, the (possibly) main reason we play games.

I should know, i won Scott. And he is now 43 games old, and the 5th oldest 'Dwarf' on the roster. He can cover so many jobs, all of them badly. Scott rocks.

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mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Jul 26, 2017 - 19:28 Reply with quote Back to top

"Wah, winning a major isnt enough! I need something that ensures I keep winning majors"
Dominik



Joined: Oct 29, 2004

Post   Posted: Jul 26, 2017 - 19:49 Reply with quote Back to top

PurpleChest wrote:
Dominik is being selfish and is plain wrong.

You're wrong. I talked about this fact many years ago. Prizes are indeed a motivation for myself to participate in majors.
A prize which isn't taken by four of eight winners isn't a prize. It's not even a trophy.
And personally I find it fun and challenging to encounter one of these pimped out teams and try to beat them in a major and make them lose their beautiful prizes.

PurpleChest wrote:
Under my watch prizes were reduced. Still fun, fluffy and team benefiting, but less game breaking. I still hold this is a good line to aim for.
You did so because you personally felt uncomfortable surrounded by previous major winners in qualifiers and so on? I cannot remember a poll or conversation here, so it was a solely admins decision?
Not to forget that CRP inducements help out very much unlike those of LRB 4.

mrt1212 wrote:
It would be a godsend for some whose games routinely go over 120 minutes.

May I feed you with a Goblin in near future? You Troll must be very hungry.


Last edited by Dominik on Aug 03, 2017 - 01:24; edited 1 time in total
Dominik



Joined: Oct 29, 2004

Post   Posted: Aug 02, 2017 - 22:32 Reply with quote Back to top

Finally a prize should be something everyone blindly takes. That is a skill at minimum and at maximum something we have seen on FUMBBLs birthday.
A prize would be also something like "you get a positional or lineman from any roster for free with a price difference of not more than 10.000 gold to the cost of a lineman of your race.
So would a Chaos team accept a Human Thrower?
Would a Goblin team accept a Human Lineman?
Would a Wood Elf team accept a Black Orc Blocker?
Malmir



Joined: May 20, 2008

Post   Posted: Aug 03, 2017 - 00:15 Reply with quote Back to top

The goblin does suck as a prize. I'm all for keeping things balanced and don't want to see a team get a massive advantage from the basis of winning one tourney, however the goblin is far and away the worst prize of winning any major.
Guardikai



Joined: Jun 23, 2009

Post   Posted: Aug 03, 2017 - 00:23 Reply with quote Back to top

Just looking at the details I'm inclined to agree with Dominik and Malmir on this one.

If you're worried about OTT OP prizes then just give a single skill or some gold or removing a niggle or something. People never say no to simple stuff like that.
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