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SzieberthAdam



Joined: Aug 31, 2008

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 12:00 Reply with quote Back to top

Hi FUMBBL!

Recently sonrises made a blog post of the TOP25 coaches of 2013, which I really liked to
browse and inspired me to apply to the next Ranked minor tournament.

It also inspired me to make another top list for which I was curious for a long time. I decided to anounce the All-Time TOP12 masters of each race for both Ranked and Blackbox.

How can someone be a master? Well, the coach has to have a lot of matches of a particular race. Besides, he should have a good win/draw/loss ratio. In addition, the coach should also have a fair CR value. By checking the various results with my subjective senses I decided to use the following formula:

Weight = Played · Record%² · (CR-100)² / 100

The data came from the Coach Ranking page, and the weights were calculated for the TOP100 played coaces by race and division.

Enjoy the browsing!

Amazon:

  • Ranked: puppolo, Dhaktokh, liquidorange, PigStar-69, Yuzi, keltic_dragon, Tymless, Cloggy, Cryo, Jokaero, Wreckage, blocknroll
  • Blackbox: KFoged, puppolo, Qaz, chaoszwerg2001, BillBrasky, Endzone, vaclav, Elyoukey, bghandras, andr_e, Cryo, Altonator



Chaos:

  • Ranked: Qaz, Jesperius, BillBrasky, Synn, BattleLore, PurpleChest, KhornedBeef, Spot, PigStar-69, j0de, Chainsaw, BudSpencer
  • Blackbox: BillBrasky, KenThis, RandomOracle, KhornedBeef, Calcium, jean-michel, tykoonfranky, pythrr, DukeTyrion, JimmyFantastic, Ignaz, Sammler_der_Seelen



Chaos Dwarf:

  • Ranked: PurpleChest, Cloggy, Mak666, Qaz, Malmir, Purplegoo, Punk77, Yuzi, Gromrilram, gansus, Jesperius, Synn
  • Blackbox: Ignaz, Azure, jean-michel, Qaz, BillBrasky, pythrr, Slex, KhornedBeef, JimmyFantastic, anisdrin, latulike, jundru



Chaos Pact:

  • Ranked: Cloggy, liquidorange, Quinn, CCSenor, JackassRampant, Cyrus-Havoc, JmBeers, PigStar-69, BiBi, Rat_Salat, jarvis_pants, Gilga
  • Blackbox: smallman, Wreckage, BillBrasky, pythrr, Sammler_der_Seelen, Cryo, Azure, Smashak, stboub, blackGigio, KhornedBeef, bassista



Dwarf:

  • Ranked: pythrr, PurpleChest, Azure, Woodstock, Qaz, keltic_dragon, puppolo, Jesperius, PigStar-69, stboub, PeteW, iena
  • Blackbox: PurpleChest, Jesperius, DukeTyrion, postamassimo, PigStar-69, KhornedBeef, anisdrin, Cavetroll, BudSpencer, madbone, pythrr, Spot



Dark Elf:

  • Ranked: Malmir, PigStar-69, p4m, Cryo, JockMcRowdy, Synn, Quaruk, PeteW, Jan-Erik, Woodstock, deferr, C3I2
  • Blackbox: kingvan, BillBrasky, jimjo, Elyoukey, p4m, PurpleChest, HarpoHarvesterOfSorrow, Estremo, Azure, KFoged, doclystria, Altonator



Elf:

  • Ranked: Dolls, Cloggy, Gary_Gygax, Mr_Foulscumm, Chewie, Azure, pizzamogul, Nightbreed, Manbush, JockMcRowdy, Relezite, PigStar-69
  • Blackbox: Dolls, Elyoukey, BillBrasky, Aflo, Azure, chaoszwerg2001, Wreckage, Garion, BooAhl, rafadavila, Frankenstein, oryx



Goblin:

  • Ranked: Motskari, The_Provocateur, DukeTyrion, Gary_Gygax, Fanatic, Cloggy, morehouse, OldBugman, Burnalot, MerryZ, originalfrankster, Mossbeard
  • Blackbox: uzkulak, gabeln, KhornedBeef, rafadavila, Kryten, BillBrasky, gregkubly, Ehlers, Calthor, Apojar, DukeTyrion, CCSenor



Halfling:

  • Ranked: jarvis_pants, Zed, Garion, Burnalot, BillBrasky, DukeTyrion, Cloggy, akaRenton, iena, Sutej, Relezite, On1
  • Blackbox: CCSenor, BillBrasky, Azure, somertown, Topper, geff, rodders-23, andr_e, Menzogna, Bert, gabeln, PacoSillas



High Elf:

  • Ranked: KFoged, JockMcRowdy, PigStar-69, Purplegoo, Nightbreed, Synn, Nyberg, Wreckage, SvenS, Cloggy, MerryZ, Kahvie
  • Blackbox: Wreckage, BillBrasky, SvenS, Nyberg, DatMonsta, OenarLod, DukeTyrion, PurpleChest, jimjo, Ignaz, Garion, wintergreen13



Human:

  • Ranked: Diddyboy, Ludovicious, PurpleChest, PigStar-69, Calcium, iena, lizvis, keltic_dragon, Jan-Erik, jimjo, Jesperius, PainState
  • Blackbox: OenarLod, PacoSillas, CCSenor, Aflo, Dunenzed, the_cursed_one, doclystria, The_Murker, Ludovicious, wintergreen13, Azure, iena



Khemri:

  • Ranked: Jesperius, PigStar-69, Burnalot, Calcium, Cloggy, Lewdgrip, brain01, Jan-Erik, Carlo_Pellegatti, LoboBlanco, puppolo, the_cursed_one
  • Blackbox: bigGuy, Jesperius, Estremo, Wreckage, the_cursed_one, Azure, Slex, vaclav, Chainsaw, Beerox, Mateuszzzzzz, KhornedBeef



Lizardman:

  • Ranked: The_Provocateur, Quaruk, stuelle2, Ulrik, lizvis, Aflo, the_Sage, anisdrin, madbone, Woodstock, GreenAvenger, BudSpencer
  • Blackbox: cameronhawkins, Elyoukey, Hitonagashi, Ulrik, anisdrin, lizvis, okostomi, BooAhl, Aflo, BudSpencer, riccardob, JimmyFantastic



Necromantic:

  • Ranked: Chainsaw, Kenty, JockMcRowdy, The_Provocateur, PigStar-69, Mihme, ErobererZim, Stanley, Nightbreed, Toombs, Jesperius, originalfrankster
  • Blackbox: HarpoHarvesterOfSorrow, Frail, BooAhl, Elyoukey, Kimahr1, doclystria, JockMcRowdy, Eusebio, Gilga, Smashak, Topper, shogun_france



Norse:

  • Ranked: Mak666, PigStar-69, Ludovicious, Arktoris, Synn, Cloggy, DukeTyrion, Jesperius, Gezzo, puppolo, Hollaender, iena
  • Blackbox: DukeTyrion, Balle2000, jarvis_pants, nThatch, JockMcRowdy, somertown, Menzogna, Ludovicious, Wreckage, Aflo, huff, Yuzi



Nurgle:

  • Ranked: Cloggy, PigStar-69, RobRoyDuncan, Tauro, Ehlers, vicius, stboub, Rumanski, Fanatic, originalfrankster, On1, Dhaktokh
  • Blackbox: DukeTyrion, KhornedBeef, JimmyFantastic, Malmir, Xxirr, stboub, BudSpencer, fxiii, Slex, goffmogg, Endzone, anisdrin



Ogre:

  • Ranked: Jesperius, gkornecki, vicius, pizzamogul, Cloggy, Ryld, Wreckage, Dragons, Tauro, Dhaktokh, spubbbba, maysrill
  • Blackbox: Jesperius, gabeln, gkornecki, vicius, Tauro, rafadavila, kingvan, Gary_Gygax, Jokaero, BudSpencer, jimjo, Altonator



Orc:

  • Ranked: Jesperius, Malmir, PurpleChest, PigStar-69, lizvis, Chainsaw, BattleLore, Cloggy, BooAhl, iena, RandomOracle, stboub
  • Blackbox: Endzone, PurpleChest, Faxa, Sammler_der_Seelen, jimjo, ButtonToo, lizvis, Liam_Gallagher, pythrr, madbone, iena, DukeTyrion



Skaven:

  • Ranked: p4m, Fanatic, PigStar-69, Skeloboy, BooAhl, NoeLdeBenedict, jimjo, deferr, Panda_, madvig, Flix, Tauro
  • Blackbox: Panda_, DukeTyrion, Azure, jimjo, lukoshiukas, fabienL, JockMcRowdy, Slex, smallman, Flix, jundru, BiBi



Slann:

  • Ranked: Nestoroide, CroixFer, Cloggy, anisdrin, happygrue, the_Sage, DocMaXX, MRnobody, NoeLdeBenedict, jimjo, MerryZ, PigStar-69
  • Blackbox: Nestoroide, Wreckage, jimjo, happygrue, Topper, vicius, smallman, zenken5ten, Emeric, Purplegoo, Dolls, BooAhl



Undead:

  • Ranked: Prez, Liam_Gallagher, PigStar-69, Manbush, Nyberg, robocoyote, Synn, puppolo, Tensai, Fukara, lizvis, p4m
  • Blackbox: jimjo, Fukara, madbone, RocketMan, cedric19, Sammler_der_Seelen, BillBrasky, Tymless, Elyoukey, Foug, pythrr, puppolo



Underworld:

  • Ranked: Ryld, Cloggy, Nestoroide, Prez, The_Provocateur, Kaltenland, andr_e, Sammler_der_Seelen, SiPa, Tyridium, icesmooth, Chainchoker
  • Blackbox: Nestoroide, Fanatic, Sammler_der_Seelen, BudSpencer, cameronhawkins, Hitonagashi, Nelphine, Helgunar, andr_e, Tauro, dynamo380, ersatzniere



Vampire:

  • Ranked: The_Provocateur, Burnalot, Cloggy, Fanatic, vicius, klas, Nightbreed, stuelle2, drunkagent, Cadwallon, CroixFer, Purplegoo
  • Blackbox: kingvan, azyx, KhornedBeef, Tricktickler, burbi, BillBrasky, jdvmat, vicius, shoebdoo, DukeTyrion, jundru, PitCreature



Wood Elf:

  • Ranked: PigStar-69, shusaku, NoeLdeBenedict, Mr_Launcher, morehouse, Gary_Gygax, Purplegoo, Nestoroide, JockMcRowdy, Frankenstein, Tymless, liquidorange
  • Blackbox: shusaku, DukeTyrion, p4m, BillBrasky, Endzone, Azure, rafadavila, fabienL, andr_e, Kryten, somertown, BiBi

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Rabe



Joined: Jun 06, 2009

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:00 Reply with quote Back to top

Great list! Helps a lot to determine who's replays to watch to learn something about a certain race.

Thanks for the work!

(For some reason I hardly doubt I'll ever appear on such a list... Very Happy)

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Woodstock



Joined: Dec 11, 2004

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:02 Reply with quote Back to top

Awesome! I even got 3 entries, didn't expect that.
zakatan



Joined: May 17, 2008

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:12 Reply with quote Back to top

lol i thought this was about this etzel dude complaining about fumbbl mods Laughing

nice work, although the games played might have too much weight. Also the CR with the latest formula is very volatile.

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PurpleChest



Joined: Oct 25, 2003

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:17
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Loving this, and thanks for your work.

It has everything i love: Numbers, but slightly hidden. Formulas derived from gut instinct. lists of people i might have heard of. Depth, i mean FEEL that depth, wow.

Proper lovely, well done.

But i sense its accuracy might not be to the level you might wish.

one entry caught my eye, which is Dorfs. I quite like Dorfs, and i flatter myself i am no mug with them. There are probably better Dorf coaches out there, but its the only race where I'd include the word 'probably' in the sentence.

And the list is all the people I'd expect. And pythrr.

pythrr is the top defining master of R Dorf play? In what world? in whose fevered imagination?

the Dorf R entry reads like this:

List of fruit: CHAIR, Orange, Apple, grape, pineapple.

Something ain't right.

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SzieberthAdam



Joined: Aug 31, 2008

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:31 Reply with quote Back to top

@zakatan: Thanks for the feedback. Yep the played games have too much weight. Thanks for pointing it out since I had the same feeling. However, I was intebded to award activity, but we are talking about skills here ain't we? What about the following formula?

log(Played) · Record%

I show you some examples:

Necro R: 'Chainsaw, The_Provocateur, PigStar-69, JockMcRowdy, Mihme, Jesperius, ErobererZim, Stanley, Zarathustra, originalfrankster, Nightbreed, Cavetroll' (Kenty is 23rd).

Dwarf R: 'PurpleChest, pythrr, Azure, Woodstock, PigStar-69, PeteW, puppolo, Jesperius, keltic_dragon, Qaz, morehouse, stboub'

Here are the weights of Dwarf R, new formula:

Code:

          Nick             G   W%    CR      Weight
===================================================
PurpleChest                271  76 158.75 ->    425
pythrr                     242  75 166.77 ->    411
Azure                      127  81 171.98 ->    392
Woodstock                  221  68 163.85 ->    367
PigStar-69                 153  73 162.14 ->    367
PeteW                       92  80 169.18 ->    361
puppolo                    231  66 162.56 ->    359
Jesperius                  131  73 168.04 ->    355
keltic_dragon              368  60 155.65 ->    354
Qaz                        277  63 161.16 ->    354
morehouse                  185  68 155.53 ->    354
stboub                     180  66 163.08 ->    342
Cloggy                     117  71 166.7  ->    338
iena                       162  66 161.78 ->    335
azyx                       288  59 146.27 ->    334
liquidorange                59  82 165.15 ->    334
Synn                        96  73 165.89 ->    333
klas                       222  60 149.4  ->    324
p4m                         91  71 162.5  ->    320
Lewdgrip                   408  53 147.57 ->    318
lindez                     156  63 150.87 ->    318
Tauro                      132  65 158.1  ->    317
Nuwanda                    285  56 151.78 ->    316
ibar                       139  64 155.83 ->    315
JockMcRowdy                109  67 162.04 ->    314
KhornedBeef                135  64 161.7  ->    313
Fanatic                     85  70 160.55 ->    310
Fukara                      60  75 159.59 ->    307
Jokaero                    241  55 156.29 ->    301
anisdrin                    74  70 159.09 ->    301
BudSpencer                 163  59 155.96 ->    300
calvofai                    58  74 159.14 ->    300
Gezzo                       81  68 163.05 ->    298
Moses                      225  55 150.7  ->    297
soranos                     80  68 157.83 ->    297
Zarathustra                 89  66 160.46 ->    296
Afro                        61  72 158.59 ->    295
maysrill                   147  59 149.94 ->    294
mr-maverick                128  60 154.07 ->    291
Arktoris                   180  56 151.84 ->    290
PoderRojo                   94  64 155.7  ->    290
Wreckage                    84  65 154.26 ->    288
Tymless                     94  63 158.28 ->    286
Sigmar1                     77  66 158.84 ->    286
vaclav                      60  69 159.0  ->    282
Candlejack                 167  55 148.92 ->    281
Smashak                    150  56 155.19 ->    280
lizvis                      67  65 157.47 ->    273
BattleLore                  59  67 155.48 ->    273
Ammozz                      78  62 157.81 ->    270
Brainsaw                    66  64 154.77 ->    268
Frankenstein                62  65 161.8  ->    268
KenThis                    117  56 156.75 ->    266
dreadlord                   68  63 155.89 ->    265
Mateuszzzzzz                75  61 156.13 ->    263
Araushnar                   56  65 161.69 ->    261
zoliak                      67  62 158.28 ->    260
BlodgeyDocker               68  61 153.38 ->    257
Cyrus-Havoc                 60  63 157.68 ->    257
Thunder_Crack              100  55 151.13 ->    253
Drrek                       85  56 151.39 ->    248
Mr_Foulscumm                94  54 158.04 ->    245
StanRichardson             201  46 153.47 ->    243
Shinan                     149  48 147.43 ->    240
Spot                        75  55 152.74 ->    237
Doomington                 124  49 147.54 ->    236
dadoz                      177  45 146.98 ->    232
Frostitute                 104  50 153.41 ->    232
Mr_Launcher                 71  54 149.07 ->    230
CIC                         74  51 148.06 ->    219
djutog                      63  52 155.35 ->    215
Coach_Lo                    58  53 145.63 ->    215
Apojar                     213  40 146.18 ->    214
Vesto                      127  44 144.47 ->    213
tribalsinner                68  50 156.79 ->    210
Faxa                       806  31 147.37 ->    207
moto_rioshi                 61  50 148.34 ->    205
Nacxit                      93  44 146.6  ->    199
EnglishJake                 64  48 148.75 ->    199
Nafets                     101  43 154.5  ->    198
DevilsReflexPox             56  49 148.99 ->    197
Xeterog                    117  41 143.72 ->    195
Pirigin                     92  43 145.71 ->    194
bayernkini                  87  43 146.91 ->    192
AdyBrooke                   70  45 150.61 ->    191
tragedy4you                 59  47 147.03 ->    191
Iron-Fist                   58  46 149.08 ->    186
fredde_e                   104  40 143.88 ->    185
Lord_Aku                   103  40 146.36 ->    185
Eressunasar                 96  40 144.34 ->    182
grant85                    112  38 142.94 ->    179
Demolitionman              103  37 136.43 ->    171
Rabe                       164  33 130.56 ->    168
NickNutria                 121  34 142.56 ->    163
Markinthepast              171  31 141.24 ->    159
Borjiwan                    64  38 147.67 ->    158
Jaxli                       62  36 142.94 ->    148
MonkeyMan576               115  31 138.6  ->    147
zippo                       73  32 142.12 ->    137
WildAnimal                  96  29 133.75 ->    132
Chankas                    101  18 131.99 ->     83


I hope PC is satisfied now! Very Happy If you like this better i will update the list with the new formula.

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vaclav



Joined: Mar 21, 2009

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:33 Reply with quote Back to top

I am not on a chaos dwarf list and i am more than a year nb1 chaos dwarff player in R and combined? Pffff...
Nickpcr



Joined: Oct 28, 2010

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:35 Reply with quote Back to top

Personally I think for more accurate results you should only count a coaches results after the first 50 or 100 of their games in a certain race. The current best Wood Elf coach may have lost their corset 50 before they cracked it.

But I love good list! Thanks for this.
dabassman



Joined: Feb 17, 2006

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:36 Reply with quote Back to top

Rabe, you're on the list!


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SzieberthAdam



Joined: Aug 31, 2008

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:36 Reply with quote Back to top

CD R, new formula: 'PurpleChest, Mak666, Malmir, Cloggy, Qaz, gansus, Wreckage, Purplegoo, vaclav, Jesperius, Nekross, BattleLore'

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Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:40
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Must have forgot smileys Shocked

I was mostly jesting good sir.






(but pythrr is rubbish)

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Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:43 Reply with quote Back to top

Another (maybe the best one, not because I want vaclav happy but he has right): log(Played) * Record%²

CD R:

Code:

          Nick             G   W%    CR      Weight
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PurpleChest                665  80 160.77 ->  41598
Malmir                     172  80 163.51 ->  32943
gansus                      87  82 173.1  ->  30028
vaclav                      69  84 176.27 ->  29875
Mak666                     817  66 158.45 ->  29209
DukeTyrion                  72  81 163.49 ->  28059
BattleLore                  90  78 167.25 ->  27376
Wreckage                   139  73 158.95 ->  26295
PigStar-69                  72  78 167.26 ->  26019
Cloggy                     677  63 169.05 ->  25868
Jesperius                  138  72 165.64 ->  25542
Qaz                        411  65 156.42 ->  25428
PeteW                       66  77 168.11 ->  24840
Purplegoo                  176  69 168.22 ->  24616
jimjo                       63  76 161.29 ->  23930
...


Wood Elf B:
Code:

          Nick             G   W%    CR      Weight
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Endzone                     82  87 172.86 ->  33354
rafadavila                  83  81 172.01 ->  28992
BiBi                        60  83 167.76 ->  28205
shusaku                    587  66 159.55 ->  27769
p4m                        257  70 158.77 ->  27190
DukeTyrion                 296  69 157.99 ->  27091
Azure                      131  73 163.61 ->  25979
fabienL                    128  73 163.9  ->  25856
JockMcRowdy                 44  81 163.67 ->  24828
Malmir                      58  78 162.39 ->  24703
Purplegoo                   56  77 163.53 ->  23866
huff                        81  73 162.12 ->  23418
BillBrasky                 406  62 150.79 ->  23088
andr_e                     125  69 166.31 ->  22987
Elyoukey                    82  72 160.31 ->  22844
somertown                  133  67 158.39 ->  21952
jimjo                       70  71 164.21 ->  21416
PurpleChest                 52  73 159.13 ->  21056
magikmoon                   38  76 161.4  ->  21010
Pedroas                     57  71 155.22 ->  20381
Garion                      59  70 156.73 ->  19979
Kryten                     214  61 155.51 ->  19966
...


Necro R:
Code:

          Nick             G   W%    CR      Weight
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Chainsaw                   432  77 172.52 ->  35979
The_Provocateur            243  79 173.3  ->  34282
PigStar-69                 157  80 169.68 ->  32359
Jesperius                  107  79 167.06 ->  29163
Zarathustra                 85  80 165.63 ->  28432
JockMcRowdy                437  66 165.49 ->  26484
originalfrankster          121  74 163.88 ->  26261
Cavetroll                   74  78 160.2  ->  26185
Mihme                      341  67 155.74 ->  26179
ErobererZim                198  69 165.49 ->  25177
Nyberg                      60  78 165.4  ->  24909
cedric19                    77  75 166.17 ->  24433
licker                      68  76 162.04 ->  24371
Severedunit                 73  75 164.67 ->  24133
Afro                        70  74 159.7  ->  23264
Stanley                    282  64 155.01 ->  23109
Jokaero                     54  75 159.41 ->  22438
Cloggy                     105  69 164.28 ->  22157
puppolo                    151  66 159.68 ->  21855
...


Dwarf R for same one: 'PurpleChest, Azure, pythrr, PeteW, liquidorange, PigStar-69, Jesperius, Woodstock, Synn, morehouse, Cloggy, puppolo'

Please give me some feedbacks if you thing this is more close to reality! Thanks!

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sonrises



Joined: May 02, 2013

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:43 Reply with quote Back to top

SzieberthAdam wrote:
Hi FUMBBL!

Recently sonrises made a blog post of the TOP25 coaches of 2013, which I really liked to
browse and inspired me to apply to the next Ranked minor tournament.

It also inspired me to make another top list for which I was curious for a long time. I decided to anounce the All-Time TOP12 masters of each race for both Ranked and Blackbox.


Hi,

Brilliant job! Count on me to be following your thread!
Thx for the nice comments too.
Cya.
Nickpcr



Joined: Oct 28, 2010

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:56 Reply with quote Back to top

It is good to see that I - Nick - am above ALL of these coaches on every list! I always knew I was the best! Smile
PurpleChest



Joined: Oct 25, 2003

Post   Posted: Nov 08, 2013 - 13:58
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i think any way you get the list is interesting, but im not sure what reality you are trying to get to.

Just taking Dorfs, how do you adjust for the number of games played in Tournaments, which have 0% chance of a draw. What about Azure's team, does it count as Dwarf? How much had i been smoking when playing any game? How much had PeteW been praying? How old are their teams? Some excell at rinse and repeat teams lasting only 6-10 games. Some play old old teams that will go through fallow periods. How much is CRP/LRB 4? And CR nowadays is about as stable as a 14yr old One Direction fan upon hearing they all died in a plane crash.

So, your list is fun, enjoyable and pretty. Everyone will love it. It is 'a' reality. But i'd give up on the search for 'the' reality if i were you.

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