Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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Jun 08, 2014 - 14:06 |
 
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Just thought I make a list more for myself what changes I'd like to see.
Not really advocating them, since I believe in small changes at a time but anyways...
Catch & Diving Catch
fused
Pass & Strong Arm
fused
old Strong Arm
add another layer on the pass-o-meter and make it do actually improve range for everything (stunties, bombs, long-bombs)
safe throw & Nerves of Steel
fused
Accurate
+1 on passes, +1 on catching an accurate pass for target player
pass block & VLL
fused
Grab
No restriction with frenzeh
Fend
Defender decides whether attacker follows up or not
Piling On
Only works on armor rolls
Claws
Reduces armor by -2 but no further than av7.
Fouling
Fouling no longer results in a game long ban, instead the player is put in the KO box and can enter the game again once the Ref thinks he has cooled down a little.
Shadowing
Shadowing works on equal ma roll.
Jump Up
no stand up roll for blocking
Sure Feet & Sprint
Fused
Side Step & Stand Firm (general skill)
fused
stunties
stunties gain general access
Tackle & Prehensile Tail
fused
Foul Appearance & Disturbing Presence
fused
Thick Skull
-1 on injury rolls for failed actions in the own turn (additional effect); ie. dodges, leaps, gfi, skull
Thoughts:
The game would take a big shift towards passing. There need to be efficient mechanics in place to counteract it (like pass block).
Dodging is actually a bit harder (Tackle) but good ball play can compensate for it.
Bash remains mostly the same, except for the needed fixes. Bash is a good dynamic but it should not be dominant in addition to being a powerful metagame strategy. Bash teams should put a larger focus on counteracting ball play without losing the ability to produce actual carnage.
Fouling follows the route CRP has already started. Making it ever easier and easier and more rewarding to foul every turn without actually improving it. (Deep down we all want to foul all the time. It should be like blitzes;) Since sneaky gits players are longer present on the pitch, it also becomes more useful, therefor doesn't really need an additional fix  |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jun 08, 2014 - 14:14 |
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I 100% agree with FA DP combining, and claw change, agree with bringing old strong arm back.
Jump up and shadowing changes I could take or leave .
The rest look pretty horrible. |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Jun 08, 2014 - 14:18 |
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Pretty extreme! I think this kind of thinking is ok.
Currently there are a few god tier skills and the others are nowhere near close. |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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i like the sound of the claw change, makes taking +av seem worthwhile for av9 guys.
I also like:
old Strong Arm
Piling On
Only works on armor rolls
Shadowing
Shadowing works on equal ma roll.
Foul Appearance & Disturbing Presence
fused
Two others interest me, but id need some convincing:
Thick Skull
-1 on injury rolls for failed actions in the own turn (additional effect); ie. dodges, leaps, gfi, skull (might be too big a boost for dorfs)
Fend
Defender decides whether attacker follows up or not
(might be cagebreakingly godlike)
the rest i dont like at all. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jun 08, 2014 - 17:49 |
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To buff shadowing I would rather it preceeded the diving tackle choice so you had a nice combo. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Jun 08, 2014 - 18:14 |
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Catch & Diving Catch
fused
Good change
Pass & Strong Arm
fused
No, bad change.
old Strong Arm
add another layer on the pass-o-meter and make it do actually improve range for everything (stunties, bombs, long-bombs
I'm fine with this.
safe throw & Nerves of Steel
fused
No.
Accurate
+1 on passes, +1 on catching an accurate pass for target player
Fine.
pass block & VLL
fused
Great change. Slann came with this anyway. Or, a skill that has both, and comes on slann only.
Grab
No restriction with frenzeh
Not sure. This would need play testing.
Fend
Defender decides whether attacker follows up or not
I'm ok on that.
Piling On
Only works on armor rolls
Of course better.
Claws
Reduces armor by -2 but no further than av7.
Again, of course better.
Fouling
Fouling no longer results in a game long ban, instead the player is put in the KO box and can enter the game again once the Ref thinks he has cooled down a little.
I don't like the rule change, but love the fluff reasoning. It doesn't sound artificial at all.
Shadowing
Shadowing works on equal ma roll.
Great change.
Jump Up
no stand up roll for blocking
Probably better. However some of these skills are screaming the return of traits.
Sure Feet & Sprint
Fused
hmmmmm, probably a no for me.
Side Step & Stand Firm (general skill)
fused
No way.
stunties
stunties gain general access
Again no. However a positional on stunty teams that has general access......
Tackle & Prehensile Tail
fused
No way.
Foul Appearance & Disturbing Presence
fused
Yes.
Thick Skull
-1 on injury rolls for failed actions in the own turn (additional effect); ie. dodges, leaps, gfi, skull
No. |
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Popcorn
Joined: May 12, 2006
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Jun 08, 2014 - 18:20 |
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Claw
Mighty blow
Big hand
When all three acquired, should morph into one skill called the "Ridiculament" which breaks armour on 4+, kills on 4+.
Seriously thou, Jump up shouldn't roll when blocked? Oh god no....
Also grab plus frenzy? Noooooo. |
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bghandras
Joined: Feb 06, 2011
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Jun 08, 2014 - 19:27 |
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I would try such ruleset. I mean I wont rant against it before trying. Not sure it will be perfect, but open to try. |
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Nightbird
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 08, 2014 - 19:39 |
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I'd like to see sure feet add a re-roll to leaps & TTM landings as well as GFI's.
It's never made sense to me why it doesn't. |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Jun 08, 2014 - 19:41 |
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To stop leap being hella op. |
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Nightbird
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Jun 08, 2014 - 19:56 |
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| JimmyFantastic wrote: | | To stop leap being hella op. |
ROFL
Typical JF response to an agility skill.
Back to your clawbomb hole now! |
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NerdBird
Joined: Apr 08, 2014
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Jun 08, 2014 - 19:58 |
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I like a lot of those changes but I don't think stunties should get access to general. Also, I think tackle should only negate dodge when blocking, not dodging away(we have DT for that).
I have always thought there should be more penalties for losing. We all know stars hate being on losing teams. To give more incentive to scoring and playing the ball, perhaps all stars (and above) leave the team on a 4+ if your team lost OR you can pay them to stay from your treasury. |
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Vesikannu
Joined: Mar 06, 2011
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Jun 08, 2014 - 20:27 |
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Extreme changes? Split Block and Dodge into two skills each and make it so you can't have both versions on the same player.
Bash: Don't get Knocked Down with Both Down when blocking.
Block: Don't get Knocked Down with Both Down when being blocked.
Dodge: Re-roll dodges.
Evade: Don't get KD on a pow/push.
Not sure how that would work with the turnover rules, maybe change that to skulls only on blocks. |
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Duckn
Joined: Apr 20, 2014
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Jun 08, 2014 - 21:00 |
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I'd just make dodge & block mutually exclusive and remove tackle & wrestle from the game. |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Jun 08, 2014 - 21:23 |
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| Nightbird wrote: | | JimmyFantastic wrote: | | To stop leap being hella op. |
ROFL
Typical JF response to an agility skill.
Back to your clawbomb hole now! |
Yeah because leap working 8/9 or 35/36 whilst still having a RR available for the block etc would be fine.
Back to your mediocre hole now! |
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