DrPoods
Joined: Nov 14, 2013
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Dec 07, 2014 - 13:28 |
 
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Something has been bothering me in general for a while and I thought I would put it out there for the view of the masses.
I was wondering if you could all shed some light on it for me.Why don't people like playing HE? Even if they don't start with skills the AV8 plus great potential catchers and blitzers as well as a blank slate make them the thinking man's choice in my opinion. Hell, with 3 skills you can have 4 players with wardancer stat lines. Even if they are far more expensive by then!
But still, they aren't wankers like Wood Elves, dull and ruthless like Dark Elves or weak and lopsided like Pro Elves...
And yet, I see tons of Pro, Woodie and Dark Elf teams running around. I will concede that given their hard start people can struggle and give up. I have always had a bit of a soft spot for the High Elves even if I mainly dabbled with the other types and have almost reached the point of giving in to my base urges and giving them a crack.
Anyhoo, be interested to see your thoughts on all of this.
And let's be honest here. The cool kids play High Elves!  |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Dec 07, 2014 - 13:39 |
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The only reason can be that coaches don't feel cool enough to handle the sub zero Elven team?
Like no other set of loveable, pointy eared pixels, High Elves take on the personality if their coach. They are, as you say, the blank slate. And they are never 'finished', making them the race of the never sated perfectionist.
I think the reason they're the least popular of the four is simply that they're the hardest to get going and to win with. I think they may be the toughest to rebuild, as well (no Wardancer at 0 spp here, and they're more expensive than PE). Pressing the Wood / Dark button ups the win % that much quicker.
They're my favourite race, I think (if not the most fun, hello Frogs from space / Vampires). All mens, to Lion Warriors! Rawr! |
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Rabe
Joined: Jun 06, 2009
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Dec 07, 2014 - 14:06 |
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I have played elves much less than I want to. Of the games I did play, most were with one Wood Elf team. I created them mainly because I had this (in my mind) great team idea that only worked for them. I played them a bit, having fun with the concept (there was a point system involved earlier as well), then the amazing wardancer developed and I really enjoyed playing them simply for him.
Still, High Elves are the elven race I want to play most. It's really a lack of time and too many distractions in my case. |
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Relezite
Joined: May 21, 2007
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Dec 07, 2014 - 14:17 |
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I think the other 3 elf races just have more identity to them. HE need an upgrade via the excellent norse change, to find their niche. |
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Uedder
Joined: Aug 03, 2010
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Dec 07, 2014 - 14:26 |
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They are a team without personality, for me. They're not fast as Woodies, they're not mean and solid as Delves and they're nowhere as cool as Pelves.
Probably they make a great team with mixed av8 and high speed potential, but their best positionals are just weaker than Pro Elves ones. So why should I take them? Are they about the linemen? I'll take the Delves then. It just seems impossible to get uber positionals that win you games (Pelves) and good, solid all-around skilled team like Delves.
Basically if you like to have 5 uberplayers to win you games, Pelves are way better at that.
Otherwise if you like a solid team with all-around blodge you pick Delves.
High Elves stand in the middle ground, thus lacking personality imo. That's why I was never attracted into playing them. |
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Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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Dec 07, 2014 - 14:40 |
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I think it's pretty clearly a situation where you have two very similiar teams (HE and DE) and DE come with 4 Blitzers while HE come with better passing... and passing isn't something to build your game around in BB... you can be thankful that HE are good at it as is..
in any case that HE aren't played much is purely for mechanical reasons...
I for one do favor them over DE but that is purely for fluff reasons... not because I truely believe they are better in comparison... the difference is maybe only 2 or 3 % in performance but why take any disadvantage when you got the choice, right?
WE and PE are simply different from the other two and allow a different style of play.
If I want to do a passing game for instance PE are pretty much the ONLY choice... If I want to do an uber game I do WE... but neither of those two teams are anything like the slow, steady, yet creative play of HE and Darkies... so those two just require a different mentality wanting to make a team in the first place.. |
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backelie
Joined: Jul 20, 2010
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Dec 07, 2014 - 14:46 |
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Frankly you could scrap both "pro" elves and high elves from the game and no true Scotsman would shed a tear. |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Dec 07, 2014 - 15:00 |
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Without personality? Bundled in with Pro Elves as for the scrap heap?!
The beauty of the roster is that it ends up with the personality of the coach imprinted upon it. If your High Elves don't float your boat, there's only one person to blame. 
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Dec 07, 2014 - 15:09 |
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I love high elves. While lacking the power-start of dark-elves (2 block 0 dodge vs 4 block 2 dodge), they are a better high-TV elf squad than delves imo. Blanket AV8AG4 with serious oneturning potential? Yes please.
And yes, they're also very malleable, which is how my main high elf team wound up so different from my concept team.
I have a lot of love for delves, welves and helves.
To me, pro elves were the team I never "got". The one thing they do best is the 2 turn touchdown; something you want to avoid more often than you want to do it on purpose. Less armored than helves and delves, slower than welves. Sidestep, while nice, is something all elves get sooner or later, so what really defines them is... Nerves of steel. =/ |
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Gadfly
Joined: May 31, 2014
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Dec 07, 2014 - 15:14 |
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Nothing wrong with them. High Elves are nice. Great team, like using them here & on the TT. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Dec 07, 2014 - 15:25 |
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Tantibus
Joined: Jul 21, 2014
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Dec 07, 2014 - 15:30 |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Dec 07, 2014 - 15:44 |
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| Purplegoo wrote: | Without personality? Bundled in with Pro Elves as for the scrap heap?!
The beauty of the roster is that it ends up with the personality of the coach imprinted upon it. If your High Elves don't float your boat, there's only one person to blame.
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Completely agree. Though personally pro elves are my favourite race in the game. Starting with side step is just win.
But I like high elves as they are a real challenge. They are not tv effective imo you always feel like you are playing at a tv disadvantage with them.I can't put my finger on exactly why this is but I suspect it is because you have so few starting skills. Woodies have 2 possitionals that start with dodge one of which has block and leap, so they are awesome out the box and quick to skills up. Dark elves potentially have 6 players 1 skill from blodge so the rebuild is never hard. Pro elves blitzers have great starting skills and their catchers have NoS which is a skill I would never pick but is great on a rookie and helps them skill up pretty quick.
High elves have nothing really but they are still elves. They are a lot like humans imo. Master of nothing but versatile. This is also their weakness though as the specialised teams are always the best in a perpetual environment. |
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Relezite
Joined: May 21, 2007
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Dec 07, 2014 - 15:59 |
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Yes, as most teams, they become what you make them, but that they start out as nothing but a mix of pro elf and dark elf mechanics is a bit uninspiring in my opinion. They need something that makes them THEM. I've often wondered at the choice of such a bland player for the Dragon Warrior even as they expanded the dark elf roster to enhance their feel. Why not some identity there? +AV, pro, or fend all fit the high-elf theme well enough, why not just mix it up a little on the positionals. Just adding safe throw to the thrower felt a little like they really didn't know what to do and hung up the problem to go address norse/DE/ogres. |
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Loew
Joined: Feb 02, 2005
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Dec 07, 2014 - 16:16 |
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| the_Sage wrote: | I love high elves. While lacking the power-start of dark-elves (2 block 0 dodge vs 4 block 2 dodge), they are a better high-TV elf squad than delves imo. Blanket AV8AG4 with serious oneturning potential? Yes please.
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While I like playing HElves and DElves both (and WElves, but to my mind they play quite differently), I think HElves can never really catch up those 4 vital skills in comparison to DElves. Not so much because it is an 80TV skill advantage, but also because those are skills that need to be taken and fill up the early slots on the HE catcher (or developed lineelfs).
The catcher are the special player on the roster. Great statline, but only AV7, no Dodge to protect and help with the risky plays, no Block to protect and be a real sweeper/ballhawk soon. Especially at higher TV a rookie catcher will be a primary and easy target for every Block/MB blitzer.
So, in my experience: they are good, and can be build to greatness, but they can be surprisingly hard to rebuild for elves. And DElves and WElves are just a little bit better at winning
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Of course they would be at least 10% cooler at once if they got their positional names back! (Lion warrior, Dragon warrior, Phoenix warrior? something like that) |
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