arry
Joined: Feb 26, 2014
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Jul 29, 2015 - 20:02 |
 
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Imagine the following situation:
(A is an attacker without Grab, S is a guy with Side Step, p are some other dudes.)
Can the side-stepper choose one of the other players to be pushed into?
I know that Kalimar's client asks "Do you want to use Side Step?" in this case, but hazy on what happens after that; ie, which squares are available if you say Yes. |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Jul 29, 2015 - 20:04 |
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No, you can't. That'd certainly make it even better. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Jul 29, 2015 - 20:05 |
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Side Step only allows you to go into an empty square. No empty squares, no Side Step. |
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arry
Joined: Feb 26, 2014
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Jul 29, 2015 - 20:10 |
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Here's what the rulebook says.
| Quote: | A player with this skill is an expert at stepping neatly out of the way of an
attacker. To represent this ability, his coach may choose which square
the player is moved to when he is pushed back, rather than the opposing
coach. Furthermore, the coach may choose to move the player to any
adjacent square, not just the three squares shown on the Push Back
diagram. Note that the player may not use this skill if there are no open
squares on the pitch adjacent to this player. Note that the coach may
choose which square the player is moved to even if the player is
Knocked Down after the push back. |
There's no mention of empty squares except for this situation:
So, what are your answers based on? |
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Kalessin
Joined: Jul 31, 2012
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Jul 29, 2015 - 20:17 |
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Pal, ease down. You quoted it yourself: "the player may not use this skill if there are no open squares on the pitch adjacent to this player". Meaning: if the square is not open (i.e.: it has some other player there) you can't sidestep there. |
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akaRenton
Joined: Apr 15, 2008
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Jul 29, 2015 - 20:26 |
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Arry, your quote merely restates what JackassRampant said, just at greater length. |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Jul 29, 2015 - 20:32 |
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Read the push back rules on page 10 |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Jul 29, 2015 - 20:35 |
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| arry wrote: | Imagine the following situation:
(A is an attacker without Grab, S is a guy with Side Step, p are some other dudes.)
Can the side-stepper choose one of the other players to be pushed into?
I know that Kalimar's client asks "Do you want to use Side Step?" in this case, but hazy on what happens after that; ie, which squares are available if you say Yes. |
Well, the sidestepper can chose not to use side step and get chain pushed, but then the attacker choses where to... |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Jul 29, 2015 - 20:41 |
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| Quote: | | Push backs only allows you to go into an empty square. No empty squares => chain push. |
fixd |
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Jokaero
Joined: Dec 24, 2004
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Jul 29, 2015 - 20:53 |
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I think arry has a valid point.
| Quote: | Furthermore, the coach may choose to move the player to any
adjacent square, not just the three squares shown on the Push Back
diagram. |
The 'not just the three squares shown..' somehow indicates that he still could choose one of those three squares.
| Quote: | Note that the player may not use this skill if there are no open
squares on the pitch adjacent to this player. |
This only says that he cannot use the skill if all field are occupied. In any other scenario he can choose what square it wants to get pushed into.. and I really don't see where it explicitly forbids to choose one of the occupied squares.
Am I missing something?
Edit: didn't see Rolands last quote until now. So the Push rule forbids to choose an occupied field even if the owner of the pushed player decides? Sorry.. don't have a rulebook at hand atm. |
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Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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Jul 29, 2015 - 21:07 |
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In case that has gotten under.
Arry, you asked what happens when he clicks not to sidestep.
The attacking coach gets to choose where to push. Since all squares he could push to are occupied, he gets to push the side stepper into one of the three squares.
In short: the attacker gets to choose.
also, just to verify this: If I have Grab and all squares around my opponent are occupied, I don't get to use it either, right? |
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selfy_74
Joined: Sep 03, 2010
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Jul 29, 2015 - 21:18 |
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arry
Joined: Feb 26, 2014
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Jul 30, 2015 - 10:04 |
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I'm convinced now. You have to go into an empty square, because the pushback rules on page 10 say so.
Thanks all, especially Roland. |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Jul 30, 2015 - 10:31 |
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arry
Joined: Feb 26, 2014
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Jul 30, 2015 - 16:37 |
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Next silly question! Didn't feel the need to open a new thread as it's related.
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! . .
. p X .
. G p !
A . .
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G has Grab, is pushed to player X. Can X then be pushed to the exclamation marks?
Here's what the venerable rulebook has to say on the matter.
| Quote: | This
secondary push back is treated exactly like a normal push back
as if the second player had been blocked by the first |
A literal-minded person would interpret this to mean that yeah, the pushed Grabber could choose the additional squares. A thinking person would consider that silly. |
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