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p4m



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 16:27 Reply with quote Back to top

First - yeah we know it's unnecessary, but i when i browse through the games which are played atm, i'll take it as a good hint to spec a 'good' game.

So i came across some (imho) strange legends.
a well know example is Emphasy
fumbbl.com/~Emphasy
who is currently although should be a legend.

or contrary
https://fumbbl.com/p/rankings?c=madmatt13
https://fumbbl.com/p/rankings?c=florisfixerman

there seems to be something off...
Nightbird



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 16:33 Reply with quote Back to top

CR broken?
Answer: No, but it's over-rated.

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xnoelx



Joined: Jun 05, 2012

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 16:34 Reply with quote Back to top

Remember that CR is only a guide to the likelihood of a coach winning their next game. Not of overall skill over a long period. As such, someone using a team like this in a lot of their recent games is likely to win a lot and hence do exactly what the team name suggests.

It's not so much that CR is broken, more that people forget or misconstrue what it really represents.

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licker



Joined: Jul 10, 2009

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 16:35 Reply with quote Back to top

It is broken.

As a measure of actual coaching ability.

As a measure of e-peen?

Probably works ok.
easilyamused



Joined: Jun 06, 2008

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 16:37
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Yeah, they don't seem right.

You should not have legend status with a CR of 152.....

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p4m



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 16:37 Reply with quote Back to top

xnoelx wrote:
Remember that CR is only a guide to the likelihood of a coach winning their next game. Not of overall skill over a long period.


so it was changed and i missed the change... so it's overrated - yes
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 16:38 Reply with quote Back to top

I don't think that is what he means.

One of those legends has CR 163 whereas coaches with CR higher than that are not legends. (Me Wink )

There is probably a post from Christer somewhere that tells hows it works.

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xnoelx



Joined: Jun 05, 2012

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 16:42 Reply with quote Back to top

p4m wrote:
xnoelx wrote:
Remember that CR is only a guide to the likelihood of a coach winning their next game. Not of overall skill over a long period.


so it was changed and i missed the change... so it's overrated - yes


No, it wasn't changed. That's what it has always been.

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Mr_Foulscumm



Joined: Mar 05, 2005

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 17:06 Reply with quote Back to top

A Legend with 35% win ratio and CR-152. Yeah something isn't working properly there.

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Mr_Foulscumm



Joined: Mar 05, 2005

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 17:09 Reply with quote Back to top

Although, the 164 CR coach could possibly have beaten a couple of high CR opponents and shot up massively in CR due to that, so low win% doesn't really matter.

The other one is a puzzle though.

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Bobs



Joined: Feb 26, 2009

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 17:18 Reply with quote Back to top

I've noticed you need to go above a certain mark and stay there for a few games to get legend status. Getting the points is one thing but you have to earn the status.
That's why some legend coaches can have a lower cr than superstars, and visa-versa.

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licker



Joined: Jul 10, 2009

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 17:22 Reply with quote Back to top

I still wish CR would just go away... at least from public view, if it is used in matchmaking somewhere, fine, just hide it.
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 17:32 Reply with quote Back to top

licker wrote:
I still wish CR would just go away... at least from public view, if it is used in matchmaking somewhere, fine, just hide it.

But keep the win rate% please.

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Stimme



Joined: Jun 30, 2013

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 17:39 Reply with quote Back to top

Unless I completely misunderstand the way it is calculated, it reflects the outcome of your last matches. If you managed to beat three legend/high CR coaches in a row, your rating goes up strongly. If you are a legend coach and lose four games in a row to an emerging star, it drops down dramatically.

Seems fair, no? Otherwise people with a flat learning curve could never improve their rating, if all the last 1000 games were taken in account. That's what win % is good for.
JimmyFantastic



Joined: Feb 06, 2007

Post   Posted: Sep 25, 2015 - 17:41 Reply with quote Back to top

I think CR should be called "Form"

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