Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Oct 16, 2015 - 11:01 |
 
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0k, I still don't get it...
So the client is wrong because it is possible to hypno from the floor? (standing up) |
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Sainthropee
Joined: Jan 27, 2013
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Oct 16, 2015 - 11:04 |
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| Eldin00 wrote: | @sainthoropee: After carefully reading page 11 several times, I'm pretty sure that standing up is not intended to be considered part of the movement action, but something which much be done before a movement action can be taken. In particular, the wording "at a cost of three
squares of his movement when he next takes an Action." implies that the move action is something which begins after standing up, not before.
Since hypnotic gaze is done at the end of a movement action, the interpretation that you stand up before you take a movement action would prevent you from using hypnotic gaze while prone dispite it being an extrordinary skill. |
so, you could stand up, wasted 3 points of movement, move 0 squares and then HG.
Not possible to HG from prone because you need to end the move action to use HG, and to do so, you need to stand up. |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Oct 16, 2015 - 11:28 |
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what is the difference?
no blood lust roll? |
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tussock
Joined: May 29, 2011
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Oct 16, 2015 - 11:30 |
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Yeah, order of events in the Piling On skill is wrong. Hehe. You're explicitly "standing adjacent" while you use PO, and only go prone after the re-roll is resolved.
But the rules for standing up from prone are pretty clear, in that you can't do anything before you stand up. HG is a used skill, it's "doing something". Similarly, there's no explicit rule that you can't foul or block from the ground (just the general rule), and you can use a chainsaw to block or foul, which is an extraordinary skill.
That surely doesn't mean you can chainsaw block and foul from the ground without standing up, because the general rule still applies that you can't do anything before standing up. |
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Rbthma
Joined: Jan 14, 2009
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Oct 16, 2015 - 17:54 |
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Chainsawing from the ground should always result in -MA for injuries as you hack at their ankles ^^
edit: I guess this is why the OP called it hipnotic gaze too - you can only gaze below the hips whilst prone  |
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sann0638
Joined: Aug 09, 2010
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Oct 16, 2015 - 18:05 |
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The NAF clarifications are all following rulings given by Galak. Some of them are a bit rules lawyer, but do follow the rules. They may be different from the client. |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Oct 16, 2015 - 18:40 |
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Surely Hypnotic Gaze is an action so cannot be done from prone, unless getting up to do it. Galak's logic seems flawed there. Thick skull is not an action or requiring the player to do anything.
"The player may use hypnotic gaze at the end of his Move action on an opposing player who is in an adjacent square".
Even if HG from prone would be enabled you would still need a bloodlust roll to do it as you must declare a move action as well as HG. |
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uuni
Joined: Mar 12, 2010
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Oct 19, 2015 - 16:06 |
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Solved already. But indeed, it was one of those hard edge cases. Works as intended. |
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Sainthropee
Joined: Jan 27, 2013
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Oct 19, 2015 - 17:12 |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Oct 19, 2015 - 17:25 |
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| sann0638 wrote: | | The NAF clarifications are all following rulings given by Galak. Some of them are a bit rules lawyer, but do follow the rules. They may be different from the client. |
But when Galak himself says that it's wrong, maybe the NAF should take another look? |
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sann0638
Joined: Aug 09, 2010
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Oct 19, 2015 - 18:47 |
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Interesting. A wiser man than me would have referenced properly. Maybe I will one day... |
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Jopotzuki
Joined: Oct 07, 2011
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Oct 19, 2015 - 19:16 |
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IMHO it should be changed that you can't gaze when prone. |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Oct 19, 2015 - 19:21 |
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| Jopotzuki wrote: | | IMHO it should be changed that you can't gaze when prone. |
Good news! That's already the rule  |
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sann0638
Joined: Aug 09, 2010
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Oct 19, 2015 - 20:50 |
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Updated the clarification - thanks all. |
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