Purplegoo
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| harvestmouse wrote: | | Well let's look at reality here. We're going to have to at some stage. |
Well, quite. The pertinent question is what is realistically likely to happen? All of this Internet rumour and speculation quickly spins out of control, away from the most likely actual reality pretty bloody quickly. All of the scenarios you're worrying about there are unlikely to be a thing.
The worrying over rules or (slightly off base, if I might say) how the NAF operate now or in the future all comes from an exaggerated imagination of what this product is likely to be.
A release with Blood Bowl written on it is now likely. What is a Blood Bowl release? I think the Internet too quickly surmises that this is a reboot; a re-imagining, square one, change. It is, in my opinion, a huge stretch for GW to go from nothing to a new box, new rules, 24+ teams of new miniatures and marketing to support not only Blood Bowl, but the rest of the SG suite over two years. Even over five years. It would be bloody ambitious for Apple, let alone a relatively small toys company. It does not make sense.
What is a more likely reality? A box with Blood Bowl written on it, containing some new bits that current fans will appreciate. Those bits will appeal to kids that will buy the game, and like recent GW releases (the Man-O-War black box, Age of Sigmar), it will be dirt simple, and will deal with what's in the box and a bit more. There will be no need to re-imagine CRP, change the NAF or panic over Cyanide because this is an entry level, light game, not the Blood Bowl that we play. We get some bits and our game doesn't change (win), kids get a game (win), GW make a fast buck and maintain IP (win).
I just can't see this release 'being' a new version of Blood Bowl as we know it, challenging the status quo, it doesn't make sense. As such, there is no need to worry about all of the other stuff.
Listen, I've plenty to lose here (as have we all), BB being my long term hobby. But realism suggests this development is going to be a positive augmentation to the hobby, not CRP squared, disbanding the NAF or Space Marines with spiked balls. However, I'm just another Interweb goon, so don't listen to me. Never, ever listen to people on the Blood Bowl Internet! Especially as no-one ever had an entertaining cup of tea reading sensible posts in a forum. 
As a for instance of never listening to the Internet:
'...The NAF come back on board (remembering that the reason they stopped holding tournaments at GW world was because of the 3rd party manufacturers)....'
I don't know where you got that from, probably the Internet? The primary driver for moving the NAFC from Warhammer World was not some agreement or stance over third party minis. Along with some other factors, GW made the very sensible decision that they would not allow non-core games in WW as they drove their business toward their core range.
It was a sensible business decision ('Daddy, can I have one of those teams playing weird Rugby?' is not a sentence GW want in their house whilst they peddle Space Marines), but as so many GW decisions are, it was taken as an anti-community slight in some quarters. Go figure. Either way, this is not a source of tension or disagreement between the two organisations, and now WW is not in use, non GW minis are allowed in the new NAFC venue. |
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Dalfort
Joined: Jun 23, 2008
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Jan 02, 2016 - 18:55 |
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I am too fat and old to hold my breath longer than a few seconds so I am not going to get "excited" until my GW newsletter email tells me about something happening...
Happy New Year btw! |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Jan 02, 2016 - 19:06 |
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| Purplegoo wrote: | | harvestmouse wrote: | | Well let's look at reality here. We're going to have to at some stage. |
Well, quite. The pertinent question is what is realistically likely to happen? All of this Internet rumour and speculation quickly spins out of control, away from the most likely actual reality pretty bloody quickly. All of the scenarios you're worrying about there are unlikely to be a thing.
The worrying over rules or (slightly off base, if I might say) how the NAF operate now or in the future all comes from an exaggerated imagination of what this product is likely to be.
A release with Blood Bowl written on it is now likely. What is a Blood Bowl release? I think the Internet too quickly surmises that this is a reboot; a re-imagining, square one, change. It is, in my opinion, a huge stretch for GW to go from nothing to a new box, new rules, 24+ teams of new miniatures and marketing to support not only Blood Bowl, but the rest of the SG suite over two years. Even over five years. It would be bloody ambitious for Apple, let alone a relatively small toys company. It does not make sense.
What is a more likely reality? A box with Blood Bowl written on it, containing some new bits that current fans will appreciate. Those bits will appeal to kids that will buy the game, and like recent GW releases (the Man-O-War black box, Age of Sigmar), it will be dirt simple, and will deal with what's in the box and a bit more. There will be no need to re-imagine CRP, change the NAF or panic over Cyanide because this is an entry level, light game, not the Blood Bowl that we play. We get some bits and our game doesn't change (win), kids get a game (win), GW make a fast buck and maintain IP (win).
I just can't see this release 'being' a new version of Blood Bowl as we know it, challenging the status quo, it doesn't make sense. As such, there is no need to worry about all of the other stuff.
Listen, I've plenty to lose here (as have we all), BB being my long term hobby. But realism suggests this development is going to be a positive augmentation to the hobby, not CRP squared, disbanding the NAF or Space Marines with spiked balls. However, I'm just another Interweb goon, so don't listen to me. Never, ever listen to people on the Blood Bowl Internet! Especially as no-one ever had an entertaining cup of tea reading sensible posts in a forum. |
We'll see. I'm not going to comment on what they plan to do, as I really don't know. However........if they do release a boxset in any shape or form, that's one thing. However if they're planning to release extra figures (the Dwarfs/Nurgle in the illustrations), then the 3rd party figure scene impacts that, and then...in my opinion impacts the relationship between GW and the NAF.
I agree it's not really right to speculate on what GW plan to do. In fact I can't as I really don't understand their motivation. However, if the evidence laid out is fair dinkum; I can't see how commercially they can allow 3rd party manufacturers to have a free reign. Only recently there was a Nurgle team created that was on par to anything GW has or will create. Yet we see illustrations for a Nurgle figure line.
Black and White. Either they know what their doing or they don't. If they don't, I can't see how they can stay in business with such stupidity. |
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spubbbba
Joined: Jul 31, 2006
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Jan 02, 2016 - 19:11 |
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GW have always said they are primarily a model company rather than a games company.
If they don't need to change the ruleset then why would they bother spending the extra time and money doing so?
They might add a really simplistic board game version like they did for Betrayal at Calth. But they know that the big draw will be the models.
We need to remember that the existing BB community is still pretty small. GW will be hoping to cash in on those who play the Cyanide game, nostalgic vets and maybe 1 off purchases from people who like board games. |
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NerdBird
Joined: Apr 08, 2014
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Jan 02, 2016 - 19:13 |
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They will change the ruleset if it will help them sell minis. They have always done this with army books and such...one-up everything prior so people run out to buy the new stuff. Considering the domination of BASH on cyanide/fumbbl at high TV, I think they would sell a lot of those teams....so they will adjust the rules at some point to sell some other teams. |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Jan 02, 2016 - 19:14 |
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Harvestmouse, I struggle to see what on Earth the NAF have got to do with third party miniature manufacturers in the mind of GW. Perhaps it's to do with your misconception I mentioned in my late edit above? GW must have to deal with this in every game they ever make; third party miniature suppliers are a fact of life. When 3D printing is affordable in every home in the not too distant future, is that going to be the NAF's fault too?
I think we really are down the rabbit hole here, with a really strange, hypothetical non-issue. I do love the idea of the GW thought police turning up to a working man's club in deepest Essex to check a 20 man NAF tournament are all using GW minis (under threat of conscious uncoupling), but I suspect they've better things to do. Like making their minis so good third party suppliers get fewer sales?
Anyway, it's all getting a bit Twilight Zone in here. Enough from me, commence madness (spubbbba, sod off being sensible)! |
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Uedder
Joined: Aug 03, 2010
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Jan 02, 2016 - 19:19 |
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It's pretty easy what they're planning, to me. There's quite some interest over games like Blood Bowl and Mordheim, with video games being released etc..
GW wants to make some bucks out of it in the quickest, easier way. So they put new minis out, put it in a box with stuff, they shout "NEW STUFF!" and sell it to as many people as possible.
I don't know, but if they do release a new ruleset, it will depend (I think) on the reaction to the miniature revamp. "People still want blood bowl? Yeah, let's give them some more".
Starting off with a new ruleset after years of not caring about the game wouldn't be what i would do. |
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ramchop
Joined: Oct 12, 2013
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This bit made me smile:
| Purplegoo wrote: | | GW made the very sensible decision that they would not allow non-core games in Warhammer World. Imagine, if you will, little Johnny going into the big shop on a Saturday morning, and seeing a few nerds playing BB. Perhaps his interest is piqued? Johnny Senior would very much prefer this game; it seems a lot cheaper. GW lose a potential Space Marine money pit. |
This is from my first post on nzbbn.com in the "Introduce yourself" forum. November 2013:
| ramchop wrote: | | So ramchop jr comes back from a wander around the city with a space marine he painted all by himself – Games Workshop sure do a good job on marketing. His little pot of pocket money savings immediatel destined for a 40K Dark Vengeance box set – rrp $195! Woah, hang on a sec. This was a few weeks after nzpost’s YouShop UK launched – so after a bit of window shopping on ebay UK, ramchop jr found his savings had shrunk by $75 less than he thought it would. His Dad also piggybacked a purchase of Blood Bowl on the postage. |
2 years on and I've played 4 seasons at the local league, tournaments (one involving flying to another city), and just clocked up a year on SWL. Even started taking ramchop jr to the pub to play in the league
40K was onsold at a profit without opening the box. |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Jan 06, 2016 - 04:09 |
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The new artwork that might be the box cover looks good. I hope they use CRP and not some simplified rules like in the Warhammer Sigmar thing (where you get bonuses for shouting or winking or farting or...). Not that CRP is perfect of course. Or if they have simplified rules in the box they could have CRP or similar as some later upgrade book. GW don't need to consult NAF in the slightest. They just need to sell the box for several months and a few good looking teams they bring out. Then on to the next thing.
The Human thrower is a great looking model. The Orc though looks a bit excessively armour and blade covered.
..As for the other models in those links. How many thousands of Space Marines figure styles have been made by now! |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Jan 06, 2016 - 05:54 |
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I don't like renaming the board game from "Blood Bowl" to "Battle Bunnies" though. I am not sure I could continue playing with that name. |
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Badoek
Joined: May 17, 2009
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Jan 06, 2016 - 06:34 |
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| Grod wrote: | | I don't like renaming the board game from "Blood Bowl" to "Battle Bunnies" though. I am not sure I could continue playing with that name. |
Oh grow up, of course you could. Put on a pair of bunny ears too for an extra reroll. |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Jan 10, 2016 - 06:46 |
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Someone was telling me that some in GW heard the plan is for a 100 pound boxset including 4 teams. I doubt it but if true it would mean GW would at least get that minimum amount from buyers. And less worry if they will buy extra teams to make the investment worthwhile to GW. |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Jan 10, 2016 - 07:07 |
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Whats to bet that GW sell new team box sets that miss crucial positional players and thus require us to buy extra blitzer packs?
E.g. Orc teams with 3 blitzers
Lizardmen teams with 5 saurii
Dark Elf teams with 2 blitzers
etc
Or will they do a Warhammer / Age of Sigmar and try to change Blood Bowl enough that all our old miniatures become obsolete, thus killing the second hand market?
I hope they realise just how advanced their competitors (like Willy Miniatures) are and price/act accordingly. |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Jan 10, 2016 - 08:35 |
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I would be surprised if the went Age of Sigmar on it. I think partly they are trying to appease oldschool players. |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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I would strongly advise holding your excitement in check.
I do have a source, but sadly one I cannot name nor give too many clues as to their role within GW. But they say...
The reason we are all talking about it is that GW is recruiting to fill roles at the very top level of a new specialist games division. Everything over that has been spoof or speculation.
What that division will do, which games it will revive, rebox and sell, whether it will exist solely to sell on those IP's or to use them is ALL open to debate and yet to be decided.
ALL we know as fact right now, according to my GW source, is that a new specialist games department is being advertised and staffed by GW. That was correct as of mid December, i do not expect it to have changed much over Christmas. |
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