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thoralf



Joined: Mar 06, 2008

Post   Posted: Apr 16, 2016 - 22:41 Reply with quote Back to top

Hello,

Here my last three rated games, all in Box:

1. A 0-2 loss, starting with a rating of 156.67:

https://fumbbl.com/p/match?op=view&id=3793411

2. A 1-1 draw, starting with a rating of 156.54

https://fumbbl.com/p/match?op=view&id=3793729

3. A 3-0 win, starting with a rating of 157.48

https://fumbbl.com/p/match?op=view&id=3794925

Now I'm at 155.84.

Please help me understand all this,

t
Throweck



Joined: Feb 23, 2013

Post   Posted: Apr 16, 2016 - 22:45 Reply with quote Back to top

Were you looking at your combined, R or B CR?

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Wreckage



Joined: Aug 15, 2004

Post   Posted: Apr 16, 2016 - 22:46 Reply with quote Back to top

thoralf wrote:


Now I'm at 155.84.

Please help me understand all this,

t


Thats your current ranked rating. It doesn't change from box games.
pythrr



Joined: Mar 07, 2006

Post   Posted: Apr 16, 2016 - 22:47 Reply with quote Back to top

if it drops below 150, you get banned from the site, and are forced to play on the cyanide servers.


pick up yr game sir!

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Reisender



Joined: Sep 29, 2007

Post   Posted: Apr 16, 2016 - 22:49 Reply with quote Back to top

the dice with an [R] on the upper right side of your coach page shows your ranked rating. check your overall rating on your "about" page and your box ranking under "rankings"
thoralf



Joined: Mar 06, 2008

Post   Posted: Apr 16, 2016 - 23:02 Reply with quote Back to top

Never visited my Rankings page. Thanks!

But now it's weirder still:

https://fumbbl.com/p/rankings?c=thoralf

I have a B rating of 152.28!
BillBrasky



Joined: Feb 15, 2005

Post   Posted: Apr 16, 2016 - 23:20 Reply with quote Back to top

Why do you care?

I've beaten people with really large E-manhood (CR) and lost to those with really small ones.

It really means nothing.

Dice are the bigger factor.
Reisender



Joined: Sep 29, 2007

Post   Posted: Apr 16, 2016 - 23:24 Reply with quote Back to top

On the pages of the matches you linked it shows your overall ranking i think - this is the combined ranking of box and ranked games -> However, it is not combined by 1/2[R] x 1/2 [B], but an independent ranking that takes into account all the games in B and R you play.

So e.g.

you start a match

with
[R] 155 [B] 152 and [Overall] 158 against an opponent with R 145 B 144 and Overall 142

in Blackbox

then your Blackbox changes by using the raniking formula vs your opponents Blackbox rating, your Overall rating changes by using the formula with your opponents overall rating, and your ranked rating stays at it is.

your overall rating is higher since there are more matches in it and your rating is above 150 i guess
mdd31



Joined: Oct 23, 2014

Post   Posted: Apr 16, 2016 - 23:51 Reply with quote Back to top

BillBrasky wrote:


Dice are the bigger factor.


+1

Wish more people understood this and I think fumbbl's inflated ego problem wouldn't be as bad as it is.
thoralf



Joined: Mar 06, 2008

Post   Posted: Apr 16, 2016 - 23:54 Reply with quote Back to top

BillBrasky wrote:
Why do you care?


You go first, Bill.
Wreckage



Joined: Aug 15, 2004

Post   Posted: Apr 17, 2016 - 00:04 Reply with quote Back to top

thoralf wrote:
Hello,

Here my last three rated games, all in Box:

1. A 0-2 loss, starting with a rating of 156.67:

https://fumbbl.com/p/match?op=view&id=3793411

2. A 1-1 draw, starting with a rating of 156.54

https://fumbbl.com/p/match?op=view&id=3793729

3. A 3-0 win, starting with a rating of 157.48


As for these ratings.
I don't think they are the starting ratings. I think they are the end ratings. And it says:
After your loss, your rating was 156.67.
Then you tied a game that was almost even but you were a tiny bit favored. So you ended up on 156.54.
Then you won a game and got a huge boost of about 1.86 CR, which is almost maximum. So you won a game were you were a massive underdog.

EDIT:
Ah no correct that, you only gained 0.86 CR so you were favored in that match.


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thoralf



Joined: Mar 06, 2008

Post   Posted: Apr 17, 2016 - 00:07 Reply with quote Back to top

mdd31 wrote:
Wish more people understood this and I think fumbbl's inflated ego problem wouldn't be as bad as it is.


Wish people could answer a simple question instead of pontificating.


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Cavetroll



Joined: Jan 21, 2009

Post   Posted: Apr 17, 2016 - 00:18 Reply with quote Back to top

pythrr wrote:
if it drops below 150, you get banned from the site, and are forced to play on the cyanide servers.


pick up yr game sir!


This is the best answer thus far.

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thoralf



Joined: Mar 06, 2008

Post   Posted: Apr 17, 2016 - 00:59 Reply with quote Back to top

Wreckage wrote:
So you ended up on 156.54.


Yet my B rating is 152.28.

So let's see:

Overall: 157.48
Ranked: 155.84
BlackBox: 152.28

Unless the Overall rating takes other factors than B and R ratings, something's amiss.
Bazakastine



Joined: Mar 21, 2014

Post   Posted: Apr 17, 2016 - 01:05 Reply with quote Back to top

thoralf wrote:
Wreckage wrote:
So you ended up on 156.54.


Yet my B rating is 152.28.

So let's see:

Overall: 157.48
Ranked: 155.84
BlackBox: 152.28

Unless the Overall rating takes other factors than B and R ratings, something's amiss.


I think it just comes down to who you play. If you play a great ranked coach in box who almost never plays box and so has an average rating your overall rank will increase more then your blackbox will because it sees a legend overall but only an "average" box coach.
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