Tripleskull
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
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Apr 24, 2018 - 12:16 |
 
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| mawph wrote: | So what you're intending to outlaw is two strength skills on a non-loner player. From what I'm now understanding, the rule is:
A special skill is the following:
1. An any table skill
2. A second skill on a player who already has a skill, where only players with "Loner" may chose two "S" skills.
NB: A player may chose one any table skill and a second normal skill, costing two "special skills".
Qn: Can a player use 3 special skills to get two anytable skills? |
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Tripleskull
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
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Apr 24, 2018 - 12:37 |
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| mawph wrote: | | Qn: Can a player use 3 special skills to get two anytable skills? |
No, stacking two double skills are not allowed. Option b) allows you to pick a normal skill and All loners have Strength skill access.
I am hoping to get rid of this rule by next year by using the new piling on. But for now this is the status. Sorry again for the inconvenience.  |
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bghandras
Joined: Feb 06, 2011
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Apr 24, 2018 - 12:59 |
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Looks like i did not understand this stacking thing correctly. And still do not understand.
1. Is it OK to have a General + Strength skill on a non loner player with General and Strength skill group access, and using only 1 special skill slot (and 1 normal skill slot)?
2. Is it OK to have a werewolf with block/mb and using 1 special skill slot (and 1 normal skill slot)? |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Apr 24, 2018 - 13:03 |
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I played in the Danish Open last year, and I really like the ruleset. Yes it's complex, but 1100 + 6 normals gets boring fast, and this ruleset does a good job in making all tiers somewhat viable. Looking forward to meeting the winner in June. =)
Hmm, just saw the wording on the ruleset got a bit more... vague than last year. |
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Tripleskull
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
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Apr 24, 2018 - 13:05 |
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| bghandras wrote: | Looks like i did not understand this stacking thing correctly. And still do not understand.
1. Is it OK to have a General + Strength skill on a non loner player with General and Strength skill group access, and using only 1 special skill slot (and 1 normal skill slot)?
2. Is it OK to have a werewolf with block/mb and using 1 special skill slot (and 1 normal skill slot)? |
@ 1.
Yes.
@ 2.
No. The first skill may not be strength or mutation and the 2nd must be a normal skill. |
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mawph
Joined: Jul 02, 2013
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Apr 24, 2018 - 13:09 |
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| Tripleskull wrote: | | mawph wrote: | So what you're intending to outlaw is two strength skills on a non-loner player. From what I'm now understanding, the rule is:
A special skill is the following:
1. An any table skill
2. A second skill on a player who already has a skill, where only players with "S" access on a normal may chose two skills where one of them is a "S" skill.
NB: A player may chose one any table skill and a second normal skill, costing two "special skills" as long as one is not a "S" skill.
A player with the "loner" skill may use a "special skill" to select two "S" skills |
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mawph
Joined: Jul 02, 2013
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Apr 24, 2018 - 13:11 |
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Tripleskull was wrong. I was incorrect 
I've edited my previous above to that which I now believe to be correct. |
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bghandras
Joined: Feb 06, 2011
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Apr 24, 2018 - 13:23 |
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Okay, so lets say a normal blitzer (orc, human, etc), cant take mb/guard, right? |
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Strider84
Joined: Jun 03, 2009
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Apr 24, 2018 - 13:26 |
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Correct. But he can take tackle mb for example. |
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Tripleskull
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
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Apr 24, 2018 - 14:11 |
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*A special skill is either:
a) an anytable skill (gives the option to take a skill that would require a double roll on a skill up)
b) a normal skill on any player who has already taken a G, A or P skill (allows for a 2nd skill up on a player that has already picked a general, agility or passing skill. If the first skill was an any table pick to total cost is two special skills.)
c) an S skill on a Loner player who has already taken an S skill. (Opens the option to give two strength skills to loners. Loners can also pick a g, a or p skills as first skill at the cost of a special and then another strength skill at the cost of an additional special skill.)
I hope this makes it clear and will try hard to newer make something this troublesome again. |
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Tripleskull
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
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Apr 24, 2018 - 14:15 |
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| the_Sage wrote: | I played in the Danish Open last year, and I really like the ruleset. Yes it's complex, but 1100 + 6 normals gets boring fast, and this ruleset does a good job in making all tiers somewhat viable. Looking forward to meeting the winner in June. =)
Hmm, just saw the wording on the ruleset got a bit more... vague than last year. |
The introduction of stacking is new and has given us some difficulty. I assume this is what you are refering to? |
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Gartch
Joined: Sep 07, 2012
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Apr 24, 2018 - 16:04 |
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| Tripleskull wrote: | *A special skill is either:
a) an anytable skill (gives the option to take a skill that would require a double roll on a skill up)
b) a normal skill on any player who has already taken a G, A or P skill (allows for a 2nd skill up on a player that has already picked a general, agility or passing skill. If the first skill was an any table pick to total cost is two special skills.)
c) an S skill on a Loner player who has already taken an S skill. (Opens the option to give two strength skills to loners. Loners can also pick a g, a or p skills as first skill at the cost of a special and then another strength skill at the cost of an additional special skill.)
I hope this makes it clear and will try hard to newer make something this troublesome again. |
Hi Tripleskull!
Thank you for your time explaining rules.
Worded as your message I quoted above it is clear.
But in the rules provided for the tournament:
https://www.thenaf.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Danish-Open-Online-2018.pdf
I could not find your b) and c) point
Maybe it should be added? |
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Strider84
Joined: Jun 03, 2009
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Apr 24, 2018 - 16:18 |
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As aĺready mentioned that was a mistake from my side. Given the tournament has started now i will not adjust it. Also its effectively almost the same and when someone applied a wrongly skilled team i explained by pm. |
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Tripleskull
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
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Apr 24, 2018 - 17:07 |
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| Strider84 wrote: | | As aĺready mentioned that was a mistake from my side. Given the tournament has started now i will not adjust it. Also its effectively almost the same and when someone applied a wrongly skilled team i explained by pm. |
We both had a part in making this mistake but hopefully most people are now informed and no one will have experienced unnecessary restrictions unless they have misread and not asked about the rules. |
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LarsEnvengger
Joined: Aug 09, 2010
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Apr 24, 2018 - 18:22 |
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| Strider84 wrote: | | But was not approved by the NAF as there should not be restrictions on specific skills which i think is a reasonable point. |
I'm afraid I didn't understand that part so far. Does it mean the DO Online isn't NAF approved? Or the Danish Open itself?
What are consequences of that if NAF doesn't approve a part of the ruleset? |
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