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Balancing Gnomes
Leave them as they are
5%
 5%  [ 2 ]
Add 3rd orc slayer
17%
 17%  [ 7 ]
Orc slayers av to 8
7%
 7%  [ 3 ]
Orc slayers str to 3
15%
 15%  [ 6 ]
Remove really stupid from cannons
30%
 30%  [ 12 ]
Make cannons mv3
20%
 20%  [ 8 ]
Something else
5%
 5%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 40


peikko



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 11:49 Reply with quote Back to top
Here is now couple suggested changes. If you have something else in mind, please comment on this thread. When commenting remember couple things: balancing will be taken in more smaller steps and there is things that cannot be altered like penalty rolls on bombers.


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Mnemon



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 11:52 Reply with quote Back to top
I think another option would be to give the cannons mv3 but keep real stupid. Real stupid AND a standup roll once they are knocked over is kinda harsh. To me Gnomes should be the major ttming race to compensate for their low mv. Make it possible Smile.

/Edit: Peikko added that option to the poll afterwards, I am not that stupid.

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EvolveToAnarchism



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 12:16 Reply with quote Back to top
Increase all gnomes' AV to 8.

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nazerdemus



Joined: Nov 02, 2004
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 12:20 Reply with quote Back to top
Gnome Balancing - When I opened this thread i thought it would be about trying to counterweight gnomes or some such idea .

I think 8s a bit high for your run of the mill gnome , I think mv3 for the cannon is the best suggestion so far.

How about some extra likle gnomes

0-2 Gnome Runter 5-1-4-6 Stunty, Dodge , right stuff ,sure feet, (AG) , about 50k


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johan



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 12:40 Reply with quote Back to top
To be perfectly honest, I don't think that even "All of the above" would be enough to balance Gnomes. AV to 8 as well as 4 Slayers should be about right. But I know you want to take it in moderate steps, so I think AV 8 on all gnomes should be a good first step. This will at least give them a bit of staying power. Right now, they're painfully slow, without any hitting power. Recipe for disaster.

/johan

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Hovring



Joined: Oct 29, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 12:43 Reply with quote Back to top
I second AV8 for all gnomes
Britnoth



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 13:16 Reply with quote Back to top
Av8 is not stunty. Gnomes can already field 8 players without stunty, now you want those with to have extremely good armour for the league?

Why not keep them av7 but remove all stunty from the roster. *laughs*
johan



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 13:34 Reply with quote Back to top
Well, they've got to be good at *something*, and since they can't hit or play ball, soaking up punishment is all that remains. Smile

/johan

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Da_Todfatha



Joined: Jul 06, 2004
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 14:07 Reply with quote Back to top
maybe give them thick skull then? Armor 7 thick skull, unless you hurt them they'll still be on the field.

Just a suggestion, I don't know enough about stunty to have an opinion, really.

Wink
Hovring



Joined: Oct 29, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 14:26 Reply with quote Back to top
@Britnoth
They might be able to field 8 without stunty, but be realistic 6 of them have secret weapons hence never be fielded for first drive and probably not last an entire game. But I see your point in not giving them all 8, that might be too much and they do have thick skull.
Still give them something nice, how about 4 slayers then, not just 3 as suggested.
johan



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 14:40 Reply with quote Back to top
And if anyone thinks 4 Slayers would be overpowered: I played with four grandfathered Slayers for a very long time (alongside with 4 Engineers - yes, I could field 10 non-stunties). Of my last 25 matches with them, I won 1. Neutral

/johan

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Corneto25



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 14:40 Reply with quote Back to top
assuming BG wont have access to general, i wouldnt recomend all gnomes having av8, or more slayers buffs. av3 cannons AND remove the really stupid sounds like a good start.
JohanRonn



Joined: Oct 19, 2004
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 14:44 Reply with quote Back to top
They need atleast 4 slayers to even things out a bit......
johan



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 14:49 Reply with quote Back to top
Corneto25 wrote:
assuming BG wont have access to general.


Given Peikko's views on General access, I wouldn't make that assumption. Sad

/johan
peikko



Joined: Aug 02, 2003
Post   Posted: Nov 26, 2004 - 15:33 Reply with quote Back to top
when you think about having four slayers remember that frenzy will come as curse when you dont have assist.
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