peikko
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 26, 2004 - 11:55 |
 
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This time there aint poll as trere havent been much talk what would the changes be for snotlings. Also its yet to see how much removing general access from pump wagons will help tuning snots down.
This will be open for ideas and discussion about snotlings and I will set up poll for changes after gnome matter has been solved. |
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Mnemon
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 26, 2004 - 12:02 |
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Gnome Matter won't be resolved! Or dissolved at that, either! (Unless a cannon malfunctions, that is).
I'd vote for removing some of the secret weapon possibilities from them. Here some questions to get some discussion going: How much of a purpose do the Spore Launchers really have? Do they need TWO Pump Wagons AND THREE Trolls (I think reducing the max number of either could help a good deal)?
Personally I don't think they need improvement in the movement area - it is a team with good scoreing abilities already given they have stunty, dodge and two heads - which means tacklezones aren't that much of an issue (until stunties get diving tackle, and even then).
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johan
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 26, 2004 - 13:54 |
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The loss of General on Pump Wagons took Snotlings from crazy to just scary in bashing.
I think the key to fixing Snotlings is lessening their bashing power, yet increase their scoring potential. I like the idea of Spore Flingers getting converted to some kind of passers. Adding Extra Hands would be perfectly in line with the fluff on Snotlings. MA 5 might work, but seems a bit boring. To tone down the bashing, remove a Troll or a Pump Wagon.
/johan
(Of couse, removing General on Big Guys would solve the bashing problem nicely  ) |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Nov 26, 2004 - 14:04 |
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Bah yes lets just make them more like every other team. Stuff uniqueness. |
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odi
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 26, 2004 - 14:11 |
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How about removing the pumps and giving the snots Domm Driver Catapults (which they have for a star atm). That would atleast give the more scoring opportunities. |
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johan
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 26, 2004 - 14:17 |
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| Odi wrote: | | How about removing the pumps and giving the snots Domm Driver Catapults (which they have for secret weapon atm). That would atleast give the more scoring opportunities. |
Very cool idea, very fluffy, helps scoring, reduces bashing.
Okay, so it takes a bit of the uniqueness away from the Gnomes. I can live with that.
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Oldworld_beastmen
Joined: Feb 26, 2004
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Nov 26, 2004 - 14:18 |
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pump is the reason of snotlings....no-one (i think) plays snotlings to win or to score (i not) |
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Mnemon
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 26, 2004 - 14:41 |
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My snots never had pump wagons or spore flingers ..... (of course they still have an apo too ). I'd really like to see a snot fling that only uses one pump wagon. I am not too fond of the doom diver catapults getting regular players - as that really should be a gnome exclusive, in my opinion.
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johan
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 26, 2004 - 14:45 |
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I can't believe they haven't retired those old Apo's.
Unlike players, they'll never go away on their own.
/johan |
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JohanRonn
Joined: Oct 19, 2004
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Nov 26, 2004 - 14:45 |
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Mnemon
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 26, 2004 - 14:49 |
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| johan wrote: | I can't believe they haven't retired those old Apo's.
Unlike players, they'll never go away on their own.
/johan |
Well I consciously made the decision NOT to get Pump Wagons/Spore Flingers on top of that, because it just would be too ridiculous overpowered. And well, I like the uniqueness of my Snot team. Which other team features two pass trolls, and a third with ag3 (and 45 cheerleaders )?
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pixyled
Joined: Mar 04, 2004
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Nov 26, 2004 - 23:41 |
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I just think the pump wagon should have 4ma like a regular ball and chain rather than 6ma. Or just lose a troll. |
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hunter
Joined: Aug 11, 2003
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Nov 28, 2004 - 18:33 |
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Since snots are so weak (STR- and AV-wise) and slow, they are difficult to score with in the normal "trudge down the field" fashion. Trolls are lousy and unreliable passers. The easiest and most reliable way to score is to clear the field as best as possible and just walk the ball in. I took Hail Mary Pass with my first doubles roll on a snot, which helps a lot, and I'm glad to have a star available with the same skill.
As far as balancing goes, they could probably stand to lose one of the pump wagons. If more trolls or secret weapons are removed beyond that, IMO, you would need to increase the MA to make them at all viable.
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Korso
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 28, 2004 - 18:50 |
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One pump wagon should be maximum. I think that would be enough to make it more balanced. |
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Jarnageddon
Joined: Nov 04, 2003
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Nov 29, 2004 - 00:27 |
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1 pump wagon and +ma |
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