Posted by Winni on 2013-11-08 13:26:13
Rated 1 for freaking out without reason.
Posted by Crook666 on 2013-11-08 13:28:02
I want your account to be closed and deleted after this post. I also want to replay my FC game that I lost without fault, only because I can't play. There are rules about that somewhere and they must be applied. Please admin follow my wish.
Posted by Chainsaw on 2013-11-08 13:30:17
I want my old job back and my insurance to pay out on that accident.
Why is it not done yet?
I wish to complain and let the site know about corrupt admin here. They do not comply with my requests.
Posted by Araznaroth on 2013-11-08 13:36:47
Pretzel from the Vigin Islands! :D
Posted by Throweck on 2013-11-08 13:44:23
Aaaah Freak out! Le freak, c'est chic. Love that song.
Posted by blocknroll on 2013-11-08 13:47:37
Rated 6 for Nile Rodgers
Posted by Verminardo on 2013-11-08 13:47:47
You know, I really love the site and therefore, naturally I'm grateful for the people who keep it going, but I do tend to think that by being a little more respectful towards the users, the Fumbbl staff could make things much easier and more fun for everyone involved, including themselves. I am aware the majority of users disagrees with me and thinks it's funny to provoke users who have a disagreement with the staff into nerdrage. They will no doubt mock me for this post but I shall say it once, and then shut up about it.
You may say I should try to walk a mile in their shoes. Well, I have. For many years I have been a global moderator to a site with similar audience (P&P role-players) and far more traffic than Fumbbl, and by Nuffle I know what a pain users, even the well-meaning ones, can be. But from personal experience I have also learned that a little bit of effort to treat people respectfully goes a long way to prevent/deescalate conflicts. It might also help to bear in mind that some users are just not very good at English and/or have a different cultural background than others, so what appears rude may in fact just be clumsy.
Well, anyway, it's not a big deal but I failed my will save and had to drop my two cents.
Posted by PurpleChest on 2013-11-08 14:20:24
It is good to hold all authority to account, and it is regularly done here.
As evo was fond of saying 'Who watches the watchers?' and the answer is we do ourselves, and the community also does it for us. There is often internal audit and discussion. Sometimes admins go too far, most often this is due to the attitude of the people approaching them though. That said, here we have people from masses of different cultures and backgrouds, often communicating in a language not their first, with a multiplicity of backgrounds ans social norms feeding into their online behaviour. Add volume to that scenario and of course issues arise where people do not get the responses they feel they should.
luckyjim12 is also right though, that from the outside the 'behind the curtain' stuff is understandably opaque. Few happy people post to say so, few quickly dealt with issues receive a 'thank you' in private, let alone public. Most rage episodes come with only half the story, leaving some of the ugly prequel hidden. Their history, the full story, previous discussions, all lost in the telling of one side of the story. Often the admins cannot or will not enter into a full disclosure argument in public. Actions are therefore judged by the wider community on partial information.
Some aspects of the site need to be a dictatorship. Those aspect are. While human fallibility means errors will be made, by and large a stable and supported enviroment is created, I believe.
Posted by Throweck on 2013-11-08 14:29:29
'Who watches the watchers?' - On this, has anyone ever read the comic series 'The Boys'? It's about a group that hold Superheroes/villains to account for the actions. Brilliant read. Has a character based on Simon Pegg.
Posted by roante on 2013-11-08 14:51:20
Hurray! Go admins go! We should support them with cheerleaders too :-)
Posted by PaddyMick on 2013-11-08 15:24:13
I agree Throweck and imo The Boys is awesome; second only to Preacher as the best comic ever written (Watchmen being the third). Garth Ennis is a very talented guy.
Posted by Throweck on 2013-11-08 15:35:25
Preacher is indeed awesome. Gonna have to get them out and have a read this weekend.
Posted by Garion on 2013-11-08 15:47:54
yes preacher is awesome!!!! though I would put watchmen as number 1 comic ever.
Posted by harvestmouse on 2013-11-08 16:11:39
A few points:
1. Just to clear things up, as a lot of members get confused. Tournament and the site are run by a different group of admins (although some are admins of both). A site admin would never ban you from a tournament, just as a tournament admin would never ban you from the site. Of course at times they have to work together on things.
2. Issues like this do come up from time to time. Usually coaches don't bring it up in public though, like this one. He isn't very articulate or accommodating so.................from an admin's point of view the easiest and firmest response is generally to be blunt. The original forum topic discussed all the issues and it was explained to him by members that accounts are not deleted, and he doesn't have the right to demand that. As Woodstock knew, this had no effect on his stance.
3. I'm not really sure what this rule '5' he is quoting is. I certainly don't know where he got it from. It also isn't correct. Either it's very old and in an unused closet in the help section somewhere or it isn't from this site. The other point is, why does he need his account deleted? It seems extremely petty. Delete all personal information, change the email, and the site no longer have any of his personal data. So there is really no reason for wishing it apart from a bit losing 6-0 rage.
4. I doubt this would have worried Woodstock much. Admins have to deal with issues where their ability comes under question from time to time. Also generally the more senior staff members deal with more difficult matters as well. This issue is very clear, and he is working with the direction given to him by Christer. Accounts are not deleted, it causes site problems, it causes problems if a coach returns. It's simply not going to happen and not worth wasting time over for the admin concerned.
Posted by awambawamb on 2013-11-08 16:36:29
admin-ing is a difficult task that requires a lot of understanding, a strong but flexible arm.
Posted by paradocks on 2013-11-08 16:51:51
I'm just happy that I haven't been banned for being me yet.
Posted by C3I2 on 2013-11-08 17:07:28
Seriously guys, you got to go with Latin: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
Posted by Jeffro on 2013-11-08 17:40:20
Rated 6 for the wig.
Posted by viperstrike77 on 2013-11-08 17:46:03
I second comments by purple and vermin... I also worked in IT admin. Always say thanks when ticket resolved :)
Posted by HammercatFunk on 2013-11-08 17:54:15
i had an early misunderstanding with an admin here and initially neither of our attitudes were ideal, but no one lost their shit and we got it sorted out. as much as it was an unusual experience for me, i can only imagine how strange it probably was for an admin on a gaming site.
Posted by Espionage on 2013-11-08 19:49:27
Hooray for the admins.
Man, I never say thank you for the jobs well done they do. I've always thought after they had interupted there gaming to deal with my petty stuff, the last thing they wanted was to see they had a message, stop what they were doing to open the message, read "thank-you". then go back to what they were doing. So all those times, to all those guys, thank you.
Posted by harvestmouse on 2013-11-08 19:58:14
Yes, I think each to his own on that. I preferred not to get a thank you message to a ticket, as then I also felt obliged to send a 'np' or 'yw' one in return. I don't think this is a biggy though, just generally once an issue is dealt with it's gone, so staff don't really expect a thanks on tickets. In chat, it's good manners though.
Posted by Malmir on 2013-11-08 20:06:28
Maybe I'll go for a 'thanks but don't feel this needs replying to'. Admins do a great job here. Obviously they don't always get it right, however they are at least as, if not more, competent than millions of people out there getting paid. Yay admins. Now give me my damned Ulthuan prizes Christer and we'll say no more about it... :)
Posted by CastleMan on 2013-11-08 21:37:47
the first time, and everytime since, i have always said thanks to the admins. I guess I never thought about it before, but its cool. They are working, the least you depraved monkeys could do is thank them.
Posted by eldritchfox on 2013-11-08 22:21:31
We all love this game and this little piece of digital heaven. Other digital heavens are available but often need you to prove your age and provide your credit card number ;-D
Personally I wish to agree wholeheartedly with Throweck's statement of thanks and applause. I also need to get a copy of the comics mentioned above.
Thanks to all involved in making this site all it is.
Posted by licker on 2013-11-08 23:17:55
Anyone want me to forward them the link Kryten sent me that has the pics from the sauna at the last Admin retreat?
Posted by paulhicks on 2013-11-09 01:40:57
we need a new "who's the douchiest admin" poll
Posted by Badoek on 2013-11-11 10:49:06
Seems like I've missed something?
Anyhoo, yay for admins.
I always doubt how/when to say thank you for solved stuff. Chat is easy, PM seems a bit weird yet I think I've done so (every time.. if there was more than once).
Posted by Roland on 2013-11-11 14:39:28
<3 fumbbl <3