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2012-12-19 22:39:53
18 votes, rating 3.4
18 votes, rating 3.4
What the cool kids do
Everyone, gather round - I just had a fantastic idea: We should all make minmaxed zon teams and play them in the box! By far the best part is playing against teams who have only one or two games and don't have the skills to counter regular zons, let alone the killer kind. The basic rule is, if you haven't fired more healthy positional or +stat players than the other team has played games then you aren't abusing the scheduler hard enough. I think I'm in love!
Sure, it's a shame that some of those teams are going to get setback quite a bit by being chewed up and spit back out, but this if for the greater funz of the community here - and winningz with zonz at low TV is TEH FUN!
And, while it's a bummer that your players will keep skilling up from random casualties, you can save on spp by not walking in that turn 16 score but rather using the ballcarrier to help you get a 3db on some clueless rookie lino who is blundering about wondering what earned him a front row bed of coals in the 7th circle of Hell.
Sure, it's a shame that some of those teams are going to get setback quite a bit by being chewed up and spit back out, but this if for the greater funz of the community here - and winningz with zonz at low TV is TEH FUN!
And, while it's a bummer that your players will keep skilling up from random casualties, you can save on spp by not walking in that turn 16 score but rather using the ballcarrier to help you get a 3db on some clueless rookie lino who is blundering about wondering what earned him a front row bed of coals in the 7th circle of Hell.
Comments
Posted by Purplegoo on 2012-12-19 22:44:29
First error: Playing B if you don't want to be lamed? :)
Posted by Ehlers on 2012-12-19 23:16:15
So I take it you lost the game?
Posted by happygrue on 2012-12-19 23:26:34
There is nothing lame here, sir, this is a delightful technique - to be loved and employed by all!
Posted by koadah on 2012-12-19 23:53:32
It's all fair by the rules. Maybe them dudes have tiny willies and need to compensate somehow.
You guys should show more compassion.
You guys should show more compassion.
Posted by latulike on 2012-12-20 00:37:11
Yeah, 25 games played and the highest TV played is 119. Quite boring and dumb. Yeah I understand the community has to benefit overall, unfortunately some coaches just care too much about their CR.
Box is broken, too bad I can rarely get matches in ranked, I guess thats why the Box will always live....
Box is broken, too bad I can rarely get matches in ranked, I guess thats why the Box will always live....
Posted by MattDakka on 2012-12-20 00:48:24
Rules were made by a bunch of people clearly unaware of the ways to exploit them.
Fair by the rules doesn't mean really fair if the rules are silly and bad designed.
Fair by the rules doesn't mean really fair if the rules are silly and bad designed.
Posted by Overhamsteren on 2012-12-20 00:52:25
The weirdest part is that several of these coaches are actually pretty good at the game.
Posted by Jasfmpgh on 2012-12-20 03:48:48
Only one solution, nearly rookie dwarf teams with all longbeards and one runner. Take MB on everyone that skills. Do this until you've scared the amazons out of your time zone.
Posted by Dunenzed on 2012-12-20 05:22:56
Jasfmpgh has the truth of it.
Short men with excessive facial hair are an Amazon's blind date nightmare.
Short men with excessive facial hair are an Amazon's blind date nightmare.
Posted by Lorebass on 2012-12-20 06:51:58
@hamster
yeah, what you said doesn't apply here.
yeah, what you said doesn't apply here.
Posted by koadah on 2012-12-20 08:43:16
@Matt Hmmm. The game rules don't mention TV based match making anywhere. That is a house rule and no TV matched leagues sent any test data.
House rules made the problem. House rules have to fix it.
The game wasn't designed for Box/MM at all.
http://www.cmanu.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bb/stats/sprint.html?sprintId=61&raceId=1
House rules made the problem. House rules have to fix it.
The game wasn't designed for Box/MM at all.
http://www.cmanu.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bb/stats/sprint.html?sprintId=61&raceId=1
Posted by The_Murker on 2012-12-20 11:17:53
@ Jasfmpgh
Right now the scheduler looks at the race of each team before it sets the schedule. Because dwarfs and zons are such a bad match-up for zons, the scheduler is more likely to pair the zons with another opponent if it can, rather than dwarfs.
This is what I feel needs to change to help fix Box. Just a more simple scheduler that looks at TV alone, even though TV isn't perfect. But it's better than a system that protects predators from their natural enemies.
Right now the scheduler looks at the race of each team before it sets the schedule. Because dwarfs and zons are such a bad match-up for zons, the scheduler is more likely to pair the zons with another opponent if it can, rather than dwarfs.
This is what I feel needs to change to help fix Box. Just a more simple scheduler that looks at TV alone, even though TV isn't perfect. But it's better than a system that protects predators from their natural enemies.
Posted by koadah on 2012-12-20 11:25:03
Nice idea but a plague of dwarves will probably scare off more people than a couple of zon teams.
Posted by the_Sage on 2012-12-20 12:39:02
Kaodah, would you say that providing that link in this context falls under the header of 'name and shame'? =D
Posted by koadah on 2012-12-20 13:18:01
I'm promoting my leagues dude.
Folk that win stuff should be encouraged to brag about it.
There's not enough bragging IMO :)
http://fumbbl.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=485148#485148
Folk that win stuff should be encouraged to brag about it.
There's not enough bragging IMO :)
http://fumbbl.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=485148#485148
Posted by MattDakka on 2012-12-20 15:50:34
@Koadah:
TV means Team Value and it should be truly representative of the power of the team.
MM concept is fine in itself, TV is not accurate.
If TV were an accurate value then MM would be fine and each team would be balanced at every TV.
Badly designed rosters and "teams'win rate balance over time" concept are other flaws.
TV means Team Value and it should be truly representative of the power of the team.
MM concept is fine in itself, TV is not accurate.
If TV were an accurate value then MM would be fine and each team would be balanced at every TV.
Badly designed rosters and "teams'win rate balance over time" concept are other flaws.
Posted by KFoged on 2012-12-20 16:36:50
... Thanks for the game :D
Posted by koadah on 2012-12-20 17:17:52
@KFoged
But you were a top geezer. ;)
http://www.cmanu.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bb/stats/sprint.html?sprintId=36
@MattDakka
It's not going to be accurate across all the teams at all TVs.
And be nice and simple to calculate for table top.
Try asking Christer about TS. ;)
It could be better but it's not going to be accurate.
But you were a top geezer. ;)
http://www.cmanu.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bb/stats/sprint.html?sprintId=36
@MattDakka
It's not going to be accurate across all the teams at all TVs.
And be nice and simple to calculate for table top.
Try asking Christer about TS. ;)
It could be better but it's not going to be accurate.
Posted by MattDakka on 2012-12-20 17:43:54
@Koadah: a more accurate TV is anyway better than a less accurate TV.
I would ask Christer, but I know he would not listen to.
I would ask Christer, but I know he would not listen to.