bghandras
Joined: Feb 06, 2011
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Aug 19, 2012 - 15:46 |
 
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Please check this page:
https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=createteam&op=race&division=1
After you choose a division, then you can choose a race from a new menu. If you click on a team, for example on Amazons, then it will list the following attributes:
- Phisique: 2
- Finesse: 4
- Simplicity: 5
Lets get these values right so that it gives a proper indication to new coaches!
To start the discussion, my opinion on amazons is that they play the bashing game. So the 1st attribute is too low to me.
What is your view?
---------Supplemental info---------
There are 24 teams, so each grade will have 4 teams in each grade. Top 4 teams in each category should get 6, next 4 teams 5, etc, worst 4 teams must get grade 1. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Aug 19, 2012 - 15:50 |
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badhing?
they should be 6 for simplicity though, and 7 out of 6 for lame  |
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bghandras
Joined: Feb 06, 2011
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Aug 19, 2012 - 15:54 |
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Corrected, it is bashing, and was a typo only. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Aug 19, 2012 - 16:00 |
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ah sorry,
Amazons -
Physique 3
Finesses 3
simplicity 6
Though to be honest I find these values strange.
I think think the descriptions are more important for telling you their style. As Physique is a combination of Strength and Av, zons are poor in both those areas but they have dodge and blodge everywhere which means you can't knock them over unless you are dwarves or CDs early on.
Chaos
Physique 4
Finesse 3
Simplicity 3
Chaos Dwarf
Physique 5
Finesse 2
Simplicity 3
Chaos Pact
Chaos
Physique 4
Finesse 3
Simplicity 3
Dark Elf
Physique 3
Finesse 5
Simplicity 5
Dwarf
Physique 5
Finesse 2
Simplicity 5
Elf
Physique 3
Finesse 5
Simplicity 4
Goblin
Physique 2
Finesse 3
Simplicity 2
Halfling
Physique 1
Finesse 2
Simplicity 1
High Elf
Physique 3
Finesse 5
Simplicity 3
Humans
Physique 3
Finesse 3
Simplicity 4
Khemri
Physique 5
Finesse 1
Simplicity 3
Lizardmen
Physique 5
Finesse 3
Simplicity 3
Necromantic
Physique 4
Finesse 4
Simplicity 3
Norse
Physique 4
Finesse 3
Simplicity 3
Nurgle
Physique 4
Finesse 3
Simplicity 2
Ogre
Physique 2
Finesse 1
Simplicity 1
Orc
Physique 6
Finesse 3
Simplicity 6
Skaven
Physique 2
Finesse 6
Simplicity 2
Slann
Physique 3
Finesse 4
Simplicity 2
Undead
Physique 5
Finesse 3
Simplicity 6
Underworld
Physique 3
Finesse 3
Simplicity 2
Vampire
Physique 4
Finesse 4
Simplicity 1
Wood Elf
Physique 3
Finesse 5
Simplicity 4 |
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Nelphine
Joined: Apr 01, 2011
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Aug 19, 2012 - 16:29 |
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The ratings were decided upon via about 8 of us in chat at the time (including Christer obviously); there were several that many of us thought were debatable, but (at worst) only by 1 group.
Further, the ratings are based on how they compare in that category with other teams, as well as compared to their other options (so zons are a 2 in bash because there are 16 teams that are probably better at or more restricted than them to bash. Similarly there are 12 teams that are worse than them at finesse even though they all have MA 6.)
So that you have the current standings here (and don't need to look them all up each time):
Bashing
6. Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, Chaos Pact, Nurgle
5. Dwarf, Orc, Undead, Necromantic
4. Khemri, Human, Lizardmen, Norse
3. High Elf, Dark Elf, Skaven, Ogre
2. Underworld, Vampire, Amazon, Goblin
1. Pro Elf, Wood Elf, Halfling, Slann
Agility
6: High Elf, Wood Elf, Pro Elf, Skaven
5: Dark Elf, Necromantic, Human, Slann
4: Underworld, Lizardmen, Amazon, Vampire
3: Chaos Pact, Orc, Undead, Norse
2: Chaos, Goblin, Halfling, Nurgle
1: Dwarf, Chaos Dwarf, Khemri, Ogre |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Aug 19, 2012 - 16:48 |
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It's a subjective thing. You could have a 40 page thread, no-one would ever agree! What there is is fine. Although, obviously Amazons should be simplicity 67, a bowl of peanuts could get a result with them. |
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Overhamsteren
Joined: May 27, 2006
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Aug 19, 2012 - 16:49 |
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I would put Khemri and probably also lizardmen as better bashers than Undead and Necromantic.
Underworld and amazons better bashers than skaven and (high elfs or ogres)
Either halflings or slann should be better basher than vampires.
There are Humans in both 5 and 4 in the agility list.
Vampires should be in the top of agility.
Would actually put skaven below all the elfs and vampires. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Aug 19, 2012 - 16:52 |
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May we change "Physique" rate into "Bash" rate?
I think it's less misleading for new coaches, and everywhere teams are discussed, they are split in bash, finesse and hybrid, not physique, finesse and hybrid.
Physique doesn't sound right to me. |
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Nelphine
Joined: Apr 01, 2011
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Aug 19, 2012 - 17:39 |
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Humans were supposed to be 5, Underworld was 4, my bad on a quick list; Vampires are NOT top of finesse because they lack any significant speed (which is a key part of finesse, and why skaven beat out dark elves), and their agility players are reliant on agi 3 av 7 players to perform miracles. Also: Ever seen 4 mighty blow tackle piling on vampires? Pretty darn bashy, certainly heavier than slann or halflings, even if it's not the 'usual' route for Vampires.
Note of course, this IS all subjective, but it's an interesting subjective. |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Aug 19, 2012 - 17:44 |
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Chaos should be a 4 for bashing. They are really really bad at it until they get amazing at it.
Put Dwarfs up to 6 and lizards up to 5. |
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uuni
Joined: Mar 12, 2010
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Aug 19, 2012 - 18:03 |
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In an earlier post times ago I presented a spreadsheet graph I made about races and their agileness/bashiness. I still think it's a pretty graph:
The more agile the race is, the higher it stands; the more bashier a race is the more right it stands. Of course, the numbers can be fudged somewhat if liked. Those points were calculated from starting skills and available accesses and use the "best possible" combinations.
As has already been said, opinions in the matter may differ of course. |
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Alf115
Joined: Aug 17, 2005
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Aug 19, 2012 - 18:28 |
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bghandras
Joined: Feb 06, 2011
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Aug 19, 2012 - 18:34 |
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Bashing
My subjective opinion ob physique (finesse comes later):
6. Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, Chaos Pact, Nurgle
5. Dwarf, Orc, Undead, Khemri
4. Necromantic, Human, Lizardmen, Norse
3. Ogre, Dark Elf, Skaven, Amazon
2. Underworld, Vampire, High Elf, Goblin
1. Pro Elf, Wood Elf, Halfling, Slann
I considered also stuff like block/dodge/stunty. Skills that help defend/bash or makes you vulnerable. |
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Woodstock
Joined: Dec 11, 2004
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Aug 19, 2012 - 18:39 |
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blader4411
Joined: Oct 18, 2009
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Aug 19, 2012 - 19:01 |
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We could debate this for a million years and never agree on anything. The current table is just a rough comparison drafted by a group of IRC coaches (under Christer's supervision). |
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