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Poll
How picky are you?
1 - I am the ANTIPICKER
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
2 - I like it rough
9%
 9%  [ 10 ]
3 - Fair dinkum
24%
 24%  [ 26 ]
4 - As long as...
19%
 19%  [ 21 ]
5 - Wind at our backs
7%
 7%  [ 8 ]
6 - Clawpombers
10%
 10%  [ 11 ]
7 - Mighty blow is mightier than the sword
7%
 7%  [ 8 ]
8 - Only handle with cotton gloves
4%
 4%  [ 5 ]
9 - CR beware
4%
 4%  [ 5 ]
10 - I win again!
4%
 4%  [ 5 ]
Pie - you might have got a game in the time it took you to write this. Oh no, wait.
6%
 6%  [ 7 ]
Total Votes : 107


LucaAnt



Joined: Apr 24, 2006

Post   Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 14:07 Reply with quote Back to top

14. Beyond Picking
Having perfected my art in ranked, I've become too obvious a shark for the majority of the gamefinder to fall for. Now I sweetspot in box and activate a wide range of teams so that no one can get a favourable match against me. In between rounds I torture small animals and compose long posts about how Ranked is an awful division and needs deleted.
Purplegoo



Joined: Mar 23, 2006

Post   Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 18:00 Reply with quote Back to top

I like to think I'm a 4, although, don't we all? I do track back through games played occasionally and reassure myself I'm a relatively good citizen, but then I would say that, wouldn't I?

I do find myself occasionally worrying about being (incorrectly, I hope) identified as a picker. I'll throw teams on gamefinder then tend to a child, and then panic people think I'm ignoring their perfectly reasonable game offers. Or, on the rare occasions I LFG these days, I'll have a small window within which to find a game and then I'll not accept one because I'm at too great an advantage and it'll look bad. Which is silly, because I've missed out on the only Blood Bowl I was going to get to play and potentially some great company. All because of fear of the Discord judgement. Doing my best to get over that one; not every game needs to be against a legend with a 90 % win rate to constitute acceptable behavior.

(Just play league / box, problem solved! - I do on occasion, however I still tend to think the best way to assure a fair pick-up game is Ranked. You may not think that's OK, and good luck to you if not, your milage may vary, and all that. Disclaimer ends.)
PaddyMick



Joined: Jan 03, 2012

Post   Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 18:42 Reply with quote Back to top

I often look for potentially fun games where i'm an underdog (in race and tv if not coaching ability) but there is a chance of an upset. It's why I end up playing ogres v ballers a lot I suppose.
Emphasy



Joined: Jun 14, 2004

Post   Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 20:00 Reply with quote Back to top

Voted 10 - doh Very Happy
Cyrus-Havoc



Joined: Sep 15, 2006

Post   Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 20:11 Reply with quote Back to top

I was a 5 when I played in Ranked but was worried I would get worse so it really is called Blackbox now.

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garyt1



Joined: Mar 12, 2011

Post   Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 21:05 Reply with quote Back to top

Cloggy wrote:
edit: Oh and most of the people who answered the poll so far are lying scumbags Smile

Exactly. It is tough to get a fair game in ranked unless perhaps loads of people online or it is a new team match.
Usually if you get a similar TV team it is because a new player takes it or there is desperation. I think the % of people looking for games slightly in their favour is much higher. Though to be fair some of the comments here reflect that.

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Gozer_the_Gozerian



Joined: May 30, 2015

Post   Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 21:45 Reply with quote Back to top

I voted for pie, but I have to be honest: I don't get the pie joke at all. Maybe somebody can suck the humour out of it by explaining it to me.
Harad



Joined: May 11, 2014

Post   Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 22:15 Reply with quote Back to top

I think one (small) issue is my failure to specify what a 'fair' match is. Many people seem to think a game is only fair if they will end up with more players than the opposition etc. which indirectly means they are actually further down the list.

I would define a truly fair game as one where, if both sides were coached by players of equal skill, the result is 50:50 (and fair enough is probably in the range 45:55). I'm sure others might argue that coaching skill should be factored into whether a game is fair. And they may be right.

I contend that, on average the better player is better able to judge what a fair game is (after all their skill is in assessing the players in the pitch and determining how much risk to take given the situation). It's why I don't mind too much when I see the all too common 'woah my team has no chance against yours' if it is a rookie even if a rational analysis suggests their chances are quite good but it does try my patience a little bit when coming from people who are clearly strong players (although it always surprises me that people who know they aren't very good at analysing probabilities believe their opinion is more valid than people who are demonstrated to be good at it). But there does tend to be a human bias to downplay, at least outwardly, the chances one has, and this may factor into game selection.

More generally I think this data doesn't match up with my experiences, which suggests that there may be a bias in our voting (among other possible explanations). Just as most people are above average drivers (I'm not, I'm poor), on average we are probably worse than we think we are. I think I'm a 4 but if I ask you all what would you rate me, it wouldn't surprise me if you said 6. I can only think of about 3 people I'd rate as a 2 and not that many more as a 3 and yet many of us think we are in those categories.

And the truth is that most of us aren't one thing or the other, just as we aren't good or evil. Sometimes I see a coach and think they are nice and fair and fun and so throw them a game clearly in their favour. Othertimes I'm desperately protecting my pixels before a tournament. Whatever way it is, it would be cool if I did a little better.
Seventyone



Joined: Dec 02, 2010

Post   Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 22:30 Reply with quote Back to top

@Gozer

An old fumbbler ( old as in a long time ago) called Macavity was very keen on all polls having a pie option. I'm not really sure why. Does that help? Probably not

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Gozer_the_Gozerian



Joined: May 30, 2015

Post   Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 22:35 Reply with quote Back to top

@Seventyone Ah okay, thanks.
Balle2000



Joined: Sep 25, 2008

Post   Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 00:30 Reply with quote Back to top

Needs: «I quit ranked a decade ago because of its puffy duvet cotton candy picker meta» option
AutoAxpert



Joined: Oct 13, 2015

Post   Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 10:11 Reply with quote Back to top

Balle2000 wrote:
Needs: «I quit ranked a decade ago because of its puffy duvet cotton candy picker meta» option


^This. Otherwise, I think I'm a 3.5

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Kondor



Joined: Apr 04, 2008

Post   Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 11:28 Reply with quote Back to top

I am not quite sure where I rank myself on this.

NORMALLY, If I put a basher race on game finder I will play anyone within about 100 TV. If I put a semi-soft team in there I generally play the same type of opponent or agility teams within 100 TV. If my agility teams are there it depends on my mood. In that case I rarely play basher teams but I will offer any other game within about 100 TV.

Oh, and I hate Skaven. If I see a natural 1 turner I refuse the match. Why work for an entire hour thinking and pondering to have it all undone by by a point and click procedure?

Yeah, this means I usually give up on ranked and activate in the box.

I will say that in my opinion, if you ever decline a game challenge from Goblins, Flings, Underworld or Ogres your picker rating is off the chart. Why do you even try to get a match in Ranked if you are that picky?
ArrestedDevelopment



Joined: Sep 14, 2015

Post   Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 12:07 Reply with quote Back to top

Kondor wrote:
I will say that in my opinion, if you ever decline a game challenge from Goblins, Flings, Underworld or Ogres your picker rating is off the chart. Why do you even try to get a match in Ranked if you are that picky?



See this is kind of funny to me...

Some of the worst/biggest pickers in Ranked use stunty races from time to time, or mostly, because they can trick unsuspecting newbies into games that are actually complete traps. And it is this sort of attitude that allows people to bully others into playing exactly those games. Underworld certainly do not belong alongside the other three anyway, but these races were "balanced" and designed so that someone more experienced could play and still have a challenging game against others - so it's somewhat amusing when you see some of the games a select few specialise in playing.

But it's also amusing because really, in a lot of cases, people might refuse stunties because they don't want a free win. Or for the same reason I generally don't play vs ogres unless you are (a) very experienced with them and (b) actually good with them - because Ogres are really limited in their options every turn and I find the games absolutely boring.

But lastly... Actually not playing vs a race/not playing a matchup you don't particularly like for reasons that have nothing to do with it being bad for your race, opponent ability, team skills etc... This is what ranked is for.

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Kondor



Joined: Apr 04, 2008

Post   Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 12:41 Reply with quote Back to top

ArrestedDevelopment wrote:
Kondor wrote:
I will say that in my opinion, if you ever decline a game challenge from Goblins, Flings, Underworld or Ogres your picker rating is off the chart. Why do you even try to get a match in Ranked if you are that picky?



See this is kind of funny to me...

Some of the worst/biggest pickers in Ranked use stunty races from time to time, or mostly, because they can trick unsuspecting newbies into games that are actually complete traps. And it is this sort of attitude that allows people to bully others into playing exactly those games. Underworld certainly do not belong alongside the other three anyway, but these races were "balanced" and designed so that someone more experienced could play and still have a challenging game against others - so it's somewhat amusing when you see some of the games a select few specialise in playing.

But it's also amusing because really, in a lot of cases, people might refuse stunties because they don't want a free win. Or for the same reason I generally don't play vs ogres unless you are (a) very experienced with them and (b) actually good with them - because Ogres are really limited in their options every turn and I find the games absolutely boring.

But lastly... Actually not playing vs a race/not playing a matchup you don't particularly like for reasons that have nothing to do with it being bad for your race, opponent ability, team skills etc... This is what ranked is for.


I understand what you are saying and don't strongly disagree. However, the situations you explain are the exception rather than the rule.

The chaps I have found using Goblins, Underworld, Flings, and Ogres have been the greatest people to chat with during a game. They know that even in the best circumstances their team is going to lose more than they win and they are likely lose players. I really don't mind if I am the cherry getting picked by someone coaching one of those teams.

On the flip side I know that I am a complete picker when I use goblins or flings. I am not noob hunting but I certainly take into account the number of tacklers I will face or if I have at least enough inducements for a bribe or chef. In a ranked environment I am not going to volunteer my team for slaughter but I know that I will lose 60% or more of my games with those 4 races. Maybe I am one of those coaches you are talking about. I guess if the shoe fits I should wear it.

And AD, my guess is that it has been a VERY long time since you turned down a game in Ranked because it would be boring. Given your skill as a coach, my bet is that you put teams in GF and then languish waiting for someone...anyone... to offer a match or to take a game you have offered.

In fact, my guess is that in ranked, very few people actually turn down any match they think they would win but it would be boring. Sure. It happens. But, when people turn down games, normally it is either to spare pixels or because they don't perceive the match to be at least slightly in their favor.
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