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Bobs



Joined: Feb 26, 2009

Post   Posted: Dec 01, 2020 - 05:21 Reply with quote Back to top

Not sure if i remember right but isn't there a thing now where you cant build natural OTT machines. If so my (and everyone elses) +MA sprint gutter runner needs some work.

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Garion



Joined: Aug 19, 2009

Post   Posted: Dec 01, 2020 - 07:16 Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah ma9 is max now.

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Java



Joined: Jan 27, 2018

Post   Posted: Dec 01, 2020 - 08:37 Reply with quote Back to top

WhatBall wrote:
norse are even more useless at low TV.


Norse dominate low TV Laughing

They have blanket block when everybody else apart from dorfs has very limited core skills.

Then when others start skilling up and bridge the block gap, Norse already have some guard, a blodge carrier, effective surfers.

It's when you reach mid-hi TV that cheap, effective, expendable Norse start to suffer. Case in point: Norse is a forlorn race, never won a major.
Tulkas_jrrt



Joined: Apr 30, 2012

Post   Posted: Dec 01, 2020 - 09:05 Reply with quote Back to top

You wrote "Bduget" instead of "Budget" at the end of the script. Can't see other error on some of my teams. Very Happy

But yes, my 10M high elf will be buffed https://fumbbl.com/p/player?player_id=10981436

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Jeffro



Joined: Jan 22, 2009

Post   Posted: Dec 01, 2020 - 18:56 Reply with quote Back to top

Christer wrote:
With legends who lose a skill, the calculation is (SPP-176) / 100
The last 100 comes from the "distance" between 76 and 176, so the same as the legend skill.

Thus, 190-176 = 14, which becomes 14%
And this is applied to the SPP needed for a chosen primary (30), resulting in 4.


Thanks for this explanation. So it just appears that newly minted "Legends" that have to lose a skill are hit a bit harder than the ones that have been living that life for a while. Tough to say whether he'll be worth saving at the ridiculous TV he's at or not... but we'll see Very Happy
Felix17



Joined: May 23, 2019

Post   Posted: Dec 03, 2020 - 11:36 Reply with quote Back to top

Not sure if you've already identified this, but my High Elf Thrower currently has Strong Arm, and it converts straight across (team ID 933061);

4 Tresemme Thrower->Thrower (100k)
Previous SPP total: 37
SPP progress: 6 SPP beyond the previous level (31)
Equivalent to 30% to the next level (51)
Dodge -> Dodge (Agility) +20k
Strong Arm -> Strong Arm (Strength) +40k
Accurate -> Accurate (Passing) +20k
Number of skills: 3, 16 SPP for next chosen primary
Unspent SPP: 16*30% = 5 SPP
Player Cost 180k

I'm guessing this should be Cannoneer, or failing that, he drops a level.
riktikticheck



Joined: Jul 30, 2004

Post   Posted: Dec 05, 2020 - 12:23 Reply with quote Back to top

Didin't have any issues when converting my teams, although there will be tears, when my vampires need to redraft XD

about 1,2 M to draft, team value 2,1 M... Razz

Second most expensive player on the team is a thrall, and even that is only by 10k - that str + ag is such an expensive combination
And actually 2 out of the top 4 most expensive players are thralls, because it was the time before PA 5+ Wink

Tek'teki'tek Thrall->Thrall Lineman (40k)
Previous SPP total: 113
SPP progress: 37 SPP beyond the previous level (76)
Equivalent to 37% to the next level (176)
Block -> Block (General) +20k
+AG -> +AG (Stats) +40k
+ST -> +ST (Stats) +80k
Tackle -> Tackle (General) +20k
Sure Hands -> Sure Hands (General) +20k
Number of skills: 5, 30 SPP for next chosen primary
Unspent SPP: 30*37% = 11 SPP
Player Cost 220k
footballolb16



Joined: Jul 16, 2005

Post   Posted: Jan 07, 2021 - 07:41 Reply with quote Back to top

I'm a bit confused. I tried to convert this team:

https://fumbbl.com/p/migrateteam?id=481107

It seems that a ton of things are getting removed. For example:
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2 Khul-Ahiv Mummy->Mummy (125k)
Previous SPP total: 100
SPP progress: 24 SPP beyond the previous level (76)
Equivalent to 24% to the next level (176)
Guard is no longer a valid choice and will be removed.
Break Tackle is no longer a valid choice and will be removed.
Juggernaut is no longer a valid choice and will be removed.
Stand Firm is no longer a valid choice and will be removed.
Block is no longer a valid choice and will be removed.
Number of skills: 0, 6 SPP for next chosen primary
Unspent SPP: 6*24% = 1 SPP
Player Cost 125k
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This player current has 100 SPP and 5 skills, which seem to all be getting removed?
Medon



Joined: Jan 28, 2015

Post   Posted: Jan 07, 2021 - 09:27 Reply with quote Back to top

I read in the rulebook that strong arm in BB2020 is not only a strength skill (it already was...) but now it is only allowed on players with throw team mate and only works on throw team mate actions. So how could it stay on high elf throwers?
Medon



Joined: Jan 28, 2015

Post   Posted: Jan 07, 2021 - 09:36 Reply with quote Back to top

The wood elf team https://fumbbl.com/p/migrateteam?id=835428 gets some disturbing results...

My treeman: "Block is no longer a valid choice and will be removed. Grab is no longer a valid choice and will be removed. Guard is no longer a valid choice and will be removed." I don't understand why block grab and block are no longer valid? He turns into a rookie tree without skills...

On my Linos: "Block is no longer a valid choice and will be removed. Dodge is no longer a valid choice and will be removed. Wrestle is no longer a valid choice and will be removed. Side Step is no longer a valid choice and will be removed. " --> Wood Elf Linos can not be bodgesteppers anymore? Help?

On the war dancer: "Frenzy is no longer a valid choice and will be removed. Tackle is no longer a valid choice and will be removed."

So it looks like all skills will be removed and the team is turned into rookies. Am I missing something?
tussock



Joined: May 29, 2011

Post   Posted: Jan 07, 2021 - 10:56 Reply with quote Back to top

They're all doing that at the moment, script's been bugged somehow. Smile

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neuro_



Joined: Aug 15, 2020

Post   Posted: Jan 07, 2021 - 13:16 Reply with quote Back to top

I tried a couple of teams just recently and all the players converted to 0 SPP, no matter their skills/stats.
DrDeath



Joined: Mar 27, 2011

Post   Posted: Jan 07, 2021 - 19:22 Reply with quote Back to top

Java wrote:
WhatBall wrote:
norse are even more useless at low TV.


Norse dominate low TV Laughing

They have blanket block when everybody else apart from dorfs has very limited core skills.

Then when others start skilling up and bridge the block gap, Norse already have some guard, a blodge carrier, effective surfers.

It's when you reach mid-hi TV that cheap, effective, expendable Norse start to suffer. Case in point: Norse is a forlorn race, never won a major.


I think it will turn out somewhere in the middle. In the past yes Norse have been a good low TV team. They still will be against many sides, BUT with the new dynamic I can see a lot of Dwarf, Chaos Dwarf and Orc sides appearing. If Norse have to play lots of those they aren't so good - e.g. dwarfs also have tons of Block but AV9 instead of 7, the Norse Dauntless is wasted, frenzy gets you into trouble against lines of guards... a slight movement advantage of course but hard to make that count. They will be playable of course but not as good as before - will suffer from a lot of bash match-ups I think and the attrition with repeated games against those sides may also hurt.
Macavity



Joined: Nov 23, 2004

Post   Posted: Jan 07, 2021 - 19:28 Reply with quote Back to top

Will do when I get home! Intrigued to see!

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Randobot



Joined: Mar 04, 2013

Post   Posted: Jan 08, 2021 - 01:02 Reply with quote Back to top

I'm having a similar issue. When I ran this Amazon team

https://fumbbl.com/p/team?team_id=944976

I get a lot of not valids.

1 Thelma Tribal Linewoman->Tribal Linewoman (50k)
Previous SPP total: 6
SPP progress: 0 SPP beyond the previous level (6)
Equivalent to 0% to the next level (16)
Wrestle is no longer a valid choice and will be removed.
Number of skills: 0, 6 SPP for next chosen primary
Unspent SPP: 6*0% = 0 SPP
Player Cost 50k

Leader is no longer valid for this thrower:

7 Lucille Eagle Warrior Thrower->Eagle Warrior Thrower (75k)
Previous SPP total: 15
SPP progress: 9 SPP beyond the previous level (6)
Equivalent to 90% to the next level (16)
Leader is no longer a valid choice and will be removed.
Number of skills: 0, 6 SPP for next chosen primary
Unspent SPP: 6*90% = 5 SPP
Player Cost 75k

Here block is no longer valid
6 Betsy Tribal Linewoman->Tribal Linewoman (50k)
Previous SPP total: 7
SPP progress: 1 SPP beyond the previous level (6)
Equivalent to 10% to the next level (16)
Block is no longer a valid choice and will be removed.
Number of skills: 0, 6 SPP for next chosen primary
Unspent SPP: 6*10% = 1 SPP
Player Cost 50k
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