kozak
Joined: Feb 25, 2017
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Sep 22, 2023 - 22:16 |
 
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Sweet news! They are interesting to play again! |
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dementor42
Joined: Oct 27, 2017
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Sep 22, 2023 - 22:52 |
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| kozak wrote: | | Sweet news! They are interesting to play again! |
I think you might change your mind about that after playing vs them a few times  I don't see what's stopping them from just waiting in the centre of the pitch for 4 or 5 turns and then breaking away with a turn of a billion rerolls and blodge MA8.
Maybe there's something I'm missing, oh yeah the fact that they get access to claw mb with one skill and a negatrait that can just have no downside. But hey ho, maybe they'll be rubbish and I have no idea what I'm talking about. |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Sep 22, 2023 - 23:38 |
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Wow so vampires can easily become 1 turn scoring machines -> get those runners +MA. Use hypnotic gaze to open a hole in any defensive line.
Block with the Vargheist at the end of your turn when you don't care about turnovers. He still makes the block, and with AV 10+ you can use him a bit recklessly in the middle of the scrum.
Cheaper rerolls
Cheaper vampires (additional skills for the same price)
Some loss in Strength access, but really, you build vamps with Block, Dodge, Pro and stats.
Biggest negative is you have to snack on thrall again. Thrall preservation will become super important. |
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dementor42
Joined: Oct 27, 2017
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Sep 23, 2023 - 00:08 |
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| Grod wrote: | | Biggest negative is you have to snack on thrall again. Thrall preservation will become super important. |
Not really even that. You're more likely to injure your player from a 4+ requiring armour and injury than a 2+ straight injury.
Or you are if I've done my maths right. |
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Java
Joined: Jan 27, 2018
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Sep 23, 2023 - 01:21 |
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Endbite worse than startbite
Ez
No need to math it |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Sep 23, 2023 - 03:05 |
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| dementor42 wrote: | | Grod wrote: | | Biggest negative is you have to snack on thrall again. Thrall preservation will become super important. |
Not really even that. You're more likely to injure your player from a 4+ requiring armour and injury than a 2+ straight injury.
Or you are if I've done my maths right. |
What I mean is that you have less tactical flexibility since you MUST have thrall on the field and in the right locations to avoid a turnover when bloodlust fails. Vamps can't run as pack and ignore the thrall any more. If your thrall are off the board, will be hard to avoid turnovers. You also bite at the end of the activation, not the start (not sure if that's better or worse?) Probably better than before, though, with 4/6 vampires able to move or pass on a 2+. |
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Lokragen
Joined: Aug 20, 2015
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Sep 23, 2023 - 05:13 |
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Yes, she takes a few buffs (the vargheist is cool), but we're facing exactly the same problems with this team.
Who are you typing with on the LOS? You could be at -2 when your opponent hasn't even started.
If the ball goes into the backfield, do you go for it with a vampire?
it's the same principle as before, you have 4 turns to do a few things before self-destructing, the injury test on blood lust is a real problem.
I'd hoped for something better than a mid T2 (still better than the current T3). |
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remetagross
Joined: Mar 09, 2023
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Sep 23, 2023 - 09:38 |
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I like the new star player stats except for Luthor.
Luthor is less overpriced than when he used to cost 390k, but still overpriced. If I have 340k of petty cash, chances are I have 380k as well, and I'm taking Morg'n Thorg.
Karina costs the same as Eldril. You're trading his once per game Hypnogaze reroll, lack of bloodlust and (fairly crappy) catching skills vs S4, regen, AV9+, jump up and once/game auto-wound an ennemy player. I guess that's a pretty good deal !
Ivan is an awesome ball hawk, provided you could hypnogaze once or twice on his way to prevent him from doing any dodge. And he's cheap at 190k. |
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EinVoegleinImWind
Joined: May 31, 2023
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Sep 23, 2023 - 10:24 |
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| remetagross wrote: | I like the new star player stats except for Luthor.
Luthor is less overpriced than when he used to cost 390k, but still overpriced. If I have 340k of petty cash, chances are I have 380k as well, and I'm taking Morg'n Thorg. |
Vampire teams can't take Morg, same as every other undead team. |
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Jayward
Joined: Dec 22, 2020
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Sep 23, 2023 - 11:45 |
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Karina's issue would seem to be that if she is on any team other than Vampires Bloodlust is going to mess her up; it states you have to bite Thrall linemen and no other team has them.
Yeah, she can use her special ability once per game, but then you're really gambling |
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El_Jairo
Joined: Jun 08, 2005
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Sep 23, 2023 - 12:01 |
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| Hovring wrote: | | eldritchfox wrote: | | Perhaps the Vamp throwers are the answer to who would take Fumblerooski? |
I think throwers will be a st4 piece that won't carry the ball. With runners low av they need to be protected so might as well let them carry.
Throwers will throw if you need a fast td and on defence they will be the first options for gaze and not the fragile thrower or the bl 3+ blitzer. |
This makes a lot of sense: just build the Thrower like you would do with an old Vampire: Dodg, Pro and Block. If needed he can make the throw for the two turn attempt. |
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El_Jairo
Joined: Jun 08, 2005
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Sep 23, 2023 - 12:07 |
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| EinVoegleinImWind wrote: | bbtacttics also got the new star players:
Captain Karina von Riesz: Mv7 Str4 Ag2+ Pa4+ AV9+ 230k
Bloodlust (2+), Dodge, Hypnotic Gaze, Jump Up, Loner (4+), Regeneration, Tasty Morsel (can bite an enemy player (Str 3 or less) once per game)
Count Luthor von Drakenborg Mv6 Str5 Ag2+ Pa3+ AV10+ 340k
Block, Hypnotic Gaze, Loner (4+), Regeneration, Side Step, Star of the Show (one additional RR per game for the next drive, when the Count scores a TD)
Ivan ‘the Animal’ Deathshroud Mv6 Str4 Ag4+ Pa5+ AV9+ 190k
Block, Disturbing Presence Juggernaut, Loner (4+), Regeneration, Strip Ball, Tackle, Dwarfen Scourge (MB once per game, +2 against Dwarfs) |
Are these stats confirmed? As BBTactics has not put them in his Star Player overview list. |
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El_Jairo
Joined: Jun 08, 2005
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Sep 23, 2023 - 12:12 |
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| remetagross wrote: | | Ivan is an awesome ball hawk, provided you could hypnogaze once or twice on his way to prevent him from doing any dodge. And he's cheap at 190k. |
Yeah at first I thought he was a steal at 190k but AG4+ is the limiting factor here. But Block, Tackle, Strip Ball, Juggernaut. He almost has every ball sacking skill needed.
It's a really nice blitzer at ST 4 and he has no negatrait, except for Loner (4+). |
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Blackbear
Joined: Apr 10, 2020
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Sep 23, 2023 - 12:25 |
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And how would you build a a brand new 100k team in a bash heavy league environment? |
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remetagross
Joined: Mar 09, 2023
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Sep 23, 2023 - 20:30 |
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| EinVoegleinImWind wrote: | | remetagross wrote: | I like the new star player stats except for Luthor.
Luthor is less overpriced than when he used to cost 390k, but still overpriced. If I have 340k of petty cash, chances are I have 380k as well, and I'm taking Morg'n Thorg. |
Vampire teams can't take Morg, same as every other undead team. |
Ah yes, good point.
If other teams can access both Luthor and Morg this still stands though. |
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