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| Who are the biggest winners for this edition (prediction)? |
| Amazons |
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23% |
[ 52 ] |
| Necromantic |
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9% |
[ 21 ] |
| Orc |
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4% |
[ 9 ] |
| OWA |
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43% |
[ 98 ] |
| Undead |
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0% |
[ 1 ] |
| Underworld |
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1% |
[ 3 ] |
| Wood Elf |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Imperial Nobility |
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4% |
[ 9 ] |
| Nurgle |
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8% |
[ 19 ] |
| Goblin |
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3% |
[ 7 ] |
| Black Orc |
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1% |
[ 3 ] |
| Other |
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1% |
[ 3 ] |
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| Total Votes : 225 |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Nov 28, 2025 - 10:51 |
 
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JuggerGonzo
Joined: Dec 23, 2014
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Nov 28, 2025 - 14:25 |
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Getting CPOMB go away was best change ever in BB, so yeah BB 2020 good enough. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 28, 2025 - 14:30 |
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| JuggerGonzo wrote: | | Getting CPOMB go away was best change ever in BB, so yeah BB 2020 good enough. |
It was already removed in 2016. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Nov 28, 2025 - 14:53 |
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Vicen
Joined: Jan 05, 2023
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Nov 28, 2025 - 19:02 |
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GW's designers have some "shortcomings" in BB2016, when had to create positional players for Halfling Team.
If there is two things that characterizes halflings a little bolder, it is their courage and their thieving skills. "Dauntless, Dodge, Strip Ball, Stunty". It wasn't that complicated to design. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Nov 28, 2025 - 19:39 |
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| Vicen wrote: |
If there is two things that characterizes halflings a little bolder, it is their courage and their thieving skills |
They are good at throwing things too. Halflings provided Archer regiments for Empire armies in WHFB 4th edition. |
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Vicen
Joined: Jan 05, 2023
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Nov 28, 2025 - 20:03 |
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Speaking of passing ability, the Goblin from Orc Team are better than the other goblins. (PA 3+ vs 4+) |
Last edited by Vicen on Nov 29, 2025; edited 1 time in total |
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Nightbird
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Nov 29, 2025 - 04:07 |
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| koadah wrote: |
2020 threw the baby out with the bath water.
2025 throws in a whole heap of unnecessary crap and redesigned the rosters to match how much plastic can fit in a box. |
Some day, you & I will have a pint together sir! |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Dec 02, 2025 - 07:25 |
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| Vicen wrote: | | Speaking of passing ability, the Goblin from Orc Team are better than the other goblins. (PA 3+ vs 4+) |
So it is. Surely an oversight, given the consistency of other players across rosters. FAQ to come? |
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Carthage
Joined: Mar 18, 2021
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Dec 02, 2025 - 16:50 |
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The plastic in the box limit was pretty obviously to try to make the game more approachable to new players at the slight detriment of established players.
They're trying to pivot to being more of a "board game" than a "TT war game" and this is a subtle way to align in that direction to get a broader customer base.
If it works, then we might get a lot more people in the hobby, which is (to me) a positive thing. Its hard to find games on here during US evenings! |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Dec 02, 2025 - 16:57 |
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Adding few plastic miniatures to a boxed set would not cause GW's bankruptcy.
The gameplay should have the priority.
Some extra positionals are not required, but other ones are. Humans with just 2 Blitzers are a farce.
If GW had removed only the unnecessary positionals it would have been fine. |
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Vicen
Joined: Jan 05, 2023
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Dec 02, 2025 - 17:28 |
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| Grod wrote: | | Vicen wrote: | | Speaking of passing ability, the Goblin from Orc Team are better than the other goblins. (PA 3+ vs 4+) |
So it is. Surely an oversight, given the consistency of other players across rosters. FAQ to come? |
It doesn't shock me that they are easily influenced. Five teams with goblins, all five are different somehow (thick skull, animosity, standard, PA3+, mutation access).
Accuracy would have had the advantage of not changing their basic stats, while improving only their short-range passing. It's a minor detail, but it would have been better for consistency. |
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Vicen
Joined: Jan 05, 2023
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Dec 02, 2025 - 21:32 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | Adding few plastic miniatures to a boxed set would not cause GW's bankruptcy.
The gameplay should have the priority.
Some extra positionals are not required, but other ones are. Humans with just 2 Blitzers are a farce.
If GW had removed only the unnecessary positionals it would have been fine. |
As already mentioned, a reissue is possible. Let's say they make a new Reikland Reavers box with 14 figurines (as they do for some other teams).
6 linemen (same)
2 catchers (same)
2 trowers (same)
3 blitzers (add one)
1 kicker (65k): 733+4+8+, kick, punt, DG (APS)
That's it. Simple design that I think is balanced. |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Dec 02, 2025 - 22:38 |
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| MercutioT wrote: | | Loon wrote: |
I don’t like this “let’s give it a chance” mentality. 2020 was worse than CRP for everything except multiple RR per turn, which I would also accept opinions to the contrary. These rules are objectively worse than 2020 which were objectively worse than CRP.
The unbounded positivity for objectively terrible things is something the woke generations have brought that breeds inferiority in this world. I don’t want inferiority. Especially since the inferiority is a blatant cash grab for GW. This mentality will lead people to fawn over the inevitably reworked human and dwarf teams which will then have power creep just to sell boxes. In four years Zons will be left in the power creep dust and have their own miraculous release that makes them once again the power gamer choice to sell loads of their newly released boxes. This has been the blueprint for 40k and it is obviously the trajectory for blood bowl. All the while we will have the superior CRP collecting dust when we could all just be playing that superior format the entire time. Sorry for the negativity but these clouds won’t yell at themselves people. |
Pardon, but is this a joke? What are you on about..? I have been playing BB for 20 years, and BB2020 is certainly the best ruleset that I have played in that time. Nearly all of the changes that were made from CRP were a long time coming — Making the most busted players in the game (Gutter Runners, Wardancers, etc) also the best Passers was totally stupid. Giving a team an entire surprise extra turn in the middle of a kick-off event was stupid. Allowing a dead or Star Player to take the MVP was stupid and served no function other than to suck fun out of the game. Having an 'Agility Table' when 98% of the rolls you make get a +1 modifier is stupid and bad game design. Stubbornly keeping player-costs in increments of 10k was stupid and made the rosters sloppy.
Do I agree with every change that's been made over the years? Of course not. Piling On is a fine skill that was perfectly balanced whenever it wasn't paired with Claw. Reducing the MVP to 4 SPP is a bad change that just makes your most punishing games 20% worse. And both of my two favorite teams, Lizards and Underworld, have been completely altered in ways that I dislike. But in the grand scheme of things? Minutiae. It's always two steps forward and one step back, but that's still one step forward. The world turns. And now I have new favorite teams.
And it will be the same here. Years from now, we will look back and wonder how we ever thought it was ok that the team where everyone has Block and Tackle should ALSO be the team where everyone gets AV10+ and Thick Skull.
BB players are all just so conservative. It's super weird. Game design didn't peak in the 80's. |
If you asked me in 2016 how I'd change things up for smoother and better gameplay, they did a handful of them. There's no doubts CRP had issues like starting a game off 11 v 8 because your killstack at 55% worked across the first 3 blocks.
However, for whatever good they did on pitch rules, the team management rules basically tore an entire way to play the game on Fumbbl out with naturally high floating TV teams that wound up there with enough games and presented 'your best beef vs my best beef, it's a cookoff!'
And that kind broke my faith that anything they do doesn't contain some nonsensical poison to a way to play they don't give two shits about. I played WHFB in my teens with the change from 5th to 6th and it was interesting to go from herohammer to rank-n-file hammer as rats and I was like 'maybe GW does make some good calls, cool!'
Not so with BB, and I swear that it wasn't intentional, but everything feels like it's for a very specific vision of what BB is with the sub 1200 tourneys, and sub 1500 leagues where you might float up from a 1350 redraft up to 1500 and then back down again.
It's not that I'm so conservative, it's just a lack of faith that GW will ever get the rules right enough to allow wider experiences than what BB2020 and beyond allows. |
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Wozzaa
Joined: Apr 23, 2016
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Dec 02, 2025 - 23:41 |
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Not sure it's been mentioned, but pick up on 2+ (on kick off) is a Buff for Bull Centaur carriers and Khemri (and any AG 3 carriers too I suppose). |
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