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| Should old teams be migrated to the new ruleset? |
| It's fine, let people have their old teams. |
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31% |
[ 41 ] |
| I would prefer clean slate, brand new teams only. |
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56% |
[ 73 ] |
| I have a nuanced opinion that I will expand upon in a message. |
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2% |
[ 3 ] |
| This option is for MerryZ to select. |
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9% |
[ 12 ] |
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| Total Votes : 129 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 11, 2026 - 20:33 |
 
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As an aside, it would be nice to retire a team and be able to use again its name.
For example:
"Dakka Boyz" Orc team retires and its name becomes: "RetiredDakkaBoyz1"
Now, a new Orc team named "Dakka Boyz" can be created, because "Dakka Boyz" is available to be used again.
Let's assume that team has to retire again (for example, to migrate to a new ruleset), its name would be "RetiredDakkaBoyz2" and the new team could be named "Dakka Boyz" again. The process could be repeated over time. It would be easy to find the older teams as well, due to the "Retiredteamname" pattern.
I know it's a trifling thing (not expecting it to happen, it's just an idea), but I know that some people get attached to their team names and like to keep them over time.
Retiring the players and losing the team name is worse than retiring the players but keeping the same team name. |
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Nightbird
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 11, 2026 - 23:07 |
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| Garion wrote: | | Sp00keh wrote: |
If one of them already was Legend.. not sure, don't want to see a 7-skill player. Maybe that's the (tiny) grandfathering issue we have to accept to enable migration
If one of them already had Strip Ball, or +MA+MA then not sure, maybe refund the SPP |
couldn't they just be declared an illegal player and forced to sell during redraft? personally I'd rather that than have illegal players running about |
I'd expect it to work as it currently does for ranked to 2020. Example: my +ag, +ag, legend wardancer lost a +ag & is now not a legend after converting the team.
Edit: I will say I was/am bothered by the fact that the player earned legend & wasn't given enough spp's to pick a different skill, but I also understand that due to the new way spp's work it was prolly too difficult to allow. |
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Zelmor
Joined: Sep 29, 2022
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Feb 11, 2026 - 23:43 |
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I would also like a feature to click a button and have the team name appended with something so that I could reuse it. I used up a few good names on retired teams that I wish I had, but I do not want to bother staff with renaming them one by one. |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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If it was up to me, and it isn't, I'd:
1; force any migrating team to redraft. But with a fixed budget irrespective of games played or cash in bank.
2: any player that isnt legal is force retired with cash compensation only.
The record and team name continue. the players dont have to, and if they dont fit the new rules, shoudlnt. |
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Nightbird
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 14, 2026 - 01:41 |
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| PurpleChest wrote: |
2: any player that isnt legal is force retired with cash compensation only.
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Defo don't agree here, as there are better solutions to allow for coaches the chance to keep legendary players that they spent so much time to build & have attachments to. I'll admit, this is mostly for pre-2016 players, prior to redraft. This is the case for me anyways.
This is one of the main reasons so many don't like re-drafting, myself included. It steals the 'story' from the game, in allot of ways. Many of us found the most enjoyment, in BB, from the team/player/story building aspect & then the longevity of said teams in both FUMBBL history & records. |
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Zelmor
Joined: Sep 29, 2022
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Feb 14, 2026 - 09:34 |
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Redraft is good for competition exactly because it levels the playing field. It is in the game for that reason. We have to learn to let go of players who become too expensive to hire. They become Stars on their own and retire or leave for greener pastures. I understand that there is an emotional connection, a story to these teams and players. But what is good for the community to foster play should take precedent. You can always leave your old teams in Post Play and look at them with a a smokey drink on a hot summer night and say 'man, those were the days'. |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Feb 14, 2026 - 09:41 |
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I do not play long enough to really know, but isn't Ranked Division the place to go for a game with no seasons / re-draft and BB2016 rules?
Furthermore I have no idea how painful a migration would be. But I share Zelmor's oppinion that C Division should be the place that is good for the whole Community. While there could be other places - either in league Division or Ranked 2020 - where people may keep their old teams for the fun of it. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 14, 2026 - 10:10 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 14, 2026 - 11:32 |
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| koadah wrote: |
I find it kinda sad that we have to have this division between the competitive and more narrative driven coaches. |
It's generally better to make people with similar mindset play together.
A narrative-driven coach could not care too much about winning a game with the main goal to develop their players, while a competitive-driven coach has the main goal to win the game. When in the same game people pursue different agenda the game could not be interesting, from a competitive perspective (and thus should not be played in a Competitive division).
| koadah wrote: | For me, Fumbbl felt like much more fun in the past.
Ranked & Box felt more like a mix of both.
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Ranked was awful. Gaining CR points, farming teams by cherrypicking and joining Majors was a farce.
It would have been better to have the Box for competitive people playing for CR, Majors and stuff, while League for Gamefinder games, cherrypicking, no CR gain, no Majors allowed.
About the teams having a story etc.
I understand that there is fun in developing a narrative for a team, but the ruleset has changed in a way that playing without Re-Draft would severely break the games.
It's necessary to have a TV trim mechanic.
Re-Draft is not the best way to do it, but a way nonetheless. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 14, 2026 - 11:47 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 14, 2026 - 12:11 |
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Box could have more traffic without splitting people with the Gamefinder, if CR points and joining Majors were allowed to Box teams only.
Currently you can build a team for a Major and gain CR points by picking opponents.
If you had to play only in the Box to do that you would play there (or not play in the Box, but then no CR, no Majors).
Gamefinder would still be there for people wanting to arrange games, play for fun etc., but without CR points and without Major participation. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 14, 2026 - 13:10 |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Feb 14, 2026 - 13:16 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | Box could have more traffic without splitting people with the Gamefinder, if CR points and joining Majors were allowed to Box teams only.
Currently you can build a team for a Major and gain CR points by picking opponents.
If you had to play only in the Box to do that you would play there (or not play in the Box, but then no CR, no Majors).
Gamefinder would still be there for people wanting to arrange games, play for fun etc., but without CR points and without Major participation. |
I do agree with your points to a certain degree. But I also think koadah's point is very true: Splitting C Division further may lead to less community cohesion.
And these topics are more of a general nature and not directly related to the BB2025 rules implementation, right?
While they could be addressed in one step, they do not need to. 
If people are allowed to decide if they want to keep the team as it is and not play in C anymore or if they are forced to a redraft and everything that would Not be possible in the new rosters need to be fired... Well I would say that is would be the way everyone could decide him- / herself.
The only thing that comes into my mind is the distinction of illegal players:
1. Elf with Dirty Player - forced to fire
2. Wood Elf catcher without sprint - gets Sprint for free
3. Wood Elf catcher with sprint - ??? Gets SPP refunded?
4. TV will be adjusted accordingly (No Random Discounts, Elite Skill addition)
5. Players with random Secondaries - illegal and need to fire???
Most likely I missed some topics, but it seems not that simple even with these 5. |
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Zelmor
Joined: Sep 29, 2022
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Feb 14, 2026 - 15:20 |
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Please keep discussion on topic. If you want to discuss Gamefinder and the flat-track bullies who stick to that but can barely break 1600CR in Blackbox, make a separate thread for that.
Let's assume that BB2020 support will remain for a long time, just as 2016 was not sunset either for the duration of the previous edition. Let us also assume that splitting C will not happen, and teams will be migrated to 2025 one way or another. |
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Nightbird
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 14, 2026 - 18:42 |
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| Zelmor wrote: | | Redraft is good for competition exactly because it levels the playing field. It is in the game for that reason. |
Is it? Does it? Certainly there are many opinions & individual perceptions of what is 'right for the game' & if those rules are doing what they were intended to do. But my 35+ years of BB & my perception is that it's not & they don't, but it is what it is now. Agree to disagree.
| Zelmor wrote: | | We have to learn to let go of players who become too expensive to hire. They become Stars on their own and retire or leave for greener pastures. I understand that there is an emotional connection, a story to these teams and players. But what is good for the community to foster play should take precedent. |
Do we? Do you? What is 'good for the community' is also an individual perspective. Again, agree to disagree.
| Zelmor wrote: | | You can always leave your old teams in Post Play and look at them with a a smokey drink on a hot summer night and say 'man, those were the days'. |
BB was meant to be part competitive & part RPG, up until now I guess. Yes, there is still a bit of the RPG left, but the RPG part of the game was why many of us played & redraft has reduced that to smithereens IMO. Not everyone wanted or wants to be ultra competitive & BB used to allow for both. I don't want to look at teams & players I spent years building & 'raise a smokey drink to them' just because GW decided they want to change the game in a way that steals a big part of why many enjoyed it. So, once again, agree to disagree. I'm hardly the minority that feels this way, but again it is what it is & we are here now. I don't have to like it though. I'll walk away from this thread & stake in my 'keep off my grass' sign. Cuz I'm old & stuff! |
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