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Cedrix



Joined: Mar 30, 2023
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 11:55 Reply with quote Back to top
Hi there,

I was expecting to play only against teams part of squads and therefore participating to BBT, is my assumption correct ?

Did I missed this information from the rules ?

Not that it is an issue, it is just for me to understand the way BBT works. Curiosity.

Thank you very much
Garion



Joined: Aug 19, 2009
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 11:58 Reply with quote Back to top
Cedrix wrote:
Hi there,

I was expecting to play only against teams part of squads and therefore participating to BBT, is my assumption correct ?

Did I missed this information from the rules ?

Not that it is an issue, it is just for me to understand the way BBT works. Curiosity.

Thank you very much


Your BBT squad only plays in blackbox.

You will play against BBT squad teams and non BBT teams in Blackbox.

Your assumption is incorrect.

hope this helps Smile

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RDaneel



Joined: Feb 24, 2023
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 14:34 Reply with quote Back to top
just a remark : BBT team can play vs BBT team or vs other team which has been created for Box 1st season ONLY.
No possibility to have a spin between 2ns Season BOX team vs 1 BBT team

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MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 14:44 Reply with quote Back to top
Also, you can join a FUMBBL tournament with a BBT team and the games played there will count for purpose of BBT match record.
Cedrix



Joined: Mar 30, 2023
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 15:34 Reply with quote Back to top
Thx for the answers, which tournaments ?
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 15:35 Reply with quote Back to top
Cedrix wrote:
Thx for the answers, which tournaments ?

Cheers!
You can see them here: https://fumbbl.com/p/tournaments
Chingis



Joined: Jul 09, 2007
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 16:51 Reply with quote Back to top
RDaneel wrote:
just a remark : BBT team can play vs BBT team or vs other team which has been created for Box 1st season ONLY.


This isn't quite true. When you enter the Blackbox draw, you aren't only paired against teams which have been "created for Box". You can be paired against a team who have played 14 cherrypicked Gamefinder games (and developed their players in that environment), and then entered that team in the Blackbox draw for their fifteenth game. There is no "Blackbox team" limitation in that respect, only a season one limitation.
MerryZ



Joined: Nov 28, 2005
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 18:08 Reply with quote Back to top
Why on earth would you cherrypick to play a game in box ;p ?

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koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 18:33 Reply with quote Back to top
Why not?

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MerryZ



Joined: Nov 28, 2005
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 18:37 Reply with quote Back to top
what is the gain ?

I mean i do understand if you want to mix and match games in tinder and box.

But to cherrypick and farm a team to play a game in box and then redraft, sounds a bit weird.

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koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 20:12 Reply with quote Back to top
MerryZ wrote:
what is the gain ?

I mean i do understand if you want to mix and match games in tinder and box.

But to cherrypick and farm a team to play a game in box and then redraft, sounds a bit weird.


I've heard that most teams don't do both. But hey, a game is a game. Especially if it is all you can get.

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Loon



Joined: Aug 14, 2024
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 20:18 Reply with quote Back to top
Blackbox is a bigger cherry pick than gamefinder. Basically anyone playing a tier 1 team is cherry picking against the more fun coaches that play garbage teams in box. Gamefinder makes more even pairings due to mutual choice.
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 20:31 Reply with quote Back to top
1) People are free not to play garbage teams in the Box, it's their choice; coaches playing tier 1 teams don't own the exclusive rights to play tier 1 teams, they are not privileged;
2) Gamefinder makes more even pairings assuming that both coaches are expert enough to understand if a match-up is fair and/or both coaches do care about playing a balanced match. This can in theory happen, but not often, according to my experience and to the games in progress I spot on the game page.

In the long run the Box is the best way to check coach's skill, because not being able to pick/dodge games removes the picking factor from the statistics (the GF picking factor adds more statistical noise than Box blind matchmaking factor).
Last, but not least, most of times I check a coach's win rate, the Open division one is almost always higher than their Box win rate (assuming a big enough number of games played).
That suggests that being able to pick/dodge matches affects positively the coach's win rate.
RDaneel



Joined: Feb 24, 2023
Post   Posted: May 05, 2026 - 22:22 Reply with quote Back to top
I was making the assumption both coaches were activating teams for box only
You can of course cherry peak with one box team out of the box
You cannot use a team in box trophy for game finder till the team plays the trophy

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JackassRampant



Joined: Feb 26, 2011
Post   Posted: May 06, 2026 - 19:20 Reply with quote Back to top
I do Box when I'm looking at the quarter hour and gamefinder between. I have a team that just does Box, but otherwise I don't go by team, I just play what I want and can get a game for. BBT isn't for me, I don't play enough or in the right time zone. You will definitely run into my mixed-format teams, and I can't be the only one.

As far as fairness, if there's not a huge skill discrepancy, I don't see one side having a better theory of victory as a problem. That's just part of the competition, if we're both licking our chops at the same fight but one of us has outsmarted the other. People complain about luck being OP and then reject actual skill as cheese....

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