Carnis
Joined: Feb 03, 2009
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May 13, 2026 - 00:25 |
 
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Im confused how it´s supposed to be regarding hatred/pro as well.
Lets say Ive got a situation where I throw a bothdown, a skull, a bothdown on a 3die block with a loner.
Ive got hatred, so I can take a risk and reroll 1 skull for a 3+ turnover avoidance.
Ive got loner, so I can take a risk and roll a loner check for a 4+ turnover avoidance.
Ive also got pro, so I can take a risk and pro roll a skull for a 3+3+ turnover avoidance (4/9).
Now WHAT HAPPENS, if I fail the loner check. Can I now retrace back to using hatred, as the loner check means the dicepool has not been rerolled? Rules say a dicepool can ever be rerolled once, but a failed loner doesnt áctually reroll, nor does it refer hatred or pro in any way.
So..? |
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Irgy
Joined: Feb 21, 2007
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May 13, 2026 - 06:31 |
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I have no idea but I want to know how it's meant to work too.
I assume you can reroll different dice one at a time with pro and hatred but yeah no idea re loner. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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May 13, 2026 - 09:32 |
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U can’t use Pro and Hatred and Brawler etc to reroll different dice from the same pool
U can’t reroll a dice twice, so u can’t use Hatred etc and then try a team RR |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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May 13, 2026 - 10:48 |
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But question here is if he can use other means of reroll after he fails a loner roll for reroll I presume, so he didnt reroll any rolls. |
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Zelmor
Joined: Sep 29, 2022
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May 13, 2026 - 11:15 |
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| Carnis wrote: | Im confused how it´s supposed to be regarding hatred/pro as well.
Lets say Ive got a situation where I throw a bothdown, a skull, a bothdown on a 3die block with a loner.
Ive got hatred, so I can take a risk and reroll 1 skull for a 3+ turnover avoidance.
Ive got loner, so I can take a risk and roll a loner check for a 4+ turnover avoidance.
Ive also got pro, so I can take a risk and pro roll a skull for a 3+3+ turnover avoidance (4/9).
Now WHAT HAPPENS, if I fail the loner check. Can I now retrace back to using hatred, as the loner check means the dicepool has not been rerolled? Rules say a dicepool can ever be rerolled once, but a failed loner doesnt áctually reroll, nor does it refer hatred or pro in any way.
So..? |
Your assumption is correct.
If you burn a Team Reroll but Loner blocks you (whether you tried to reroll Loner itself with Pro or not) you can use another source of reroll that is not a Team Reroll such as Hatred, Brawl (if not a blitz) or Pro (pro-vided (HAH!) you did not use the skill previously on attempting to reroll Loner). |
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Candlejack
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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May 13, 2026 - 20:21 |
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I do not see it that clear. It is stated that you can not use multiple re-roll sources on a dice pool.
For pro it is explicitly stated that if pro fails you can not use any other re-roll source.
Loner says, the re-roll is lost "as if it had been used".
Now this could be seen both ways:
a) Since Loner does not explicitly forbid the use of a different re-roll source you can use a different skill
b) Since Loner says to treat the re-roll "as if it had been used" that also extends to the effect on the dice pool.
I did not re-check but I am fairly certain the client currently applies b and considering the nicheness and complexity of the re-roll logic (you don't want to know...) I do not plan on changing it until there is some clarification or someone has a more convincing argument I missed so far. |
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spelledaren
Joined: Mar 06, 2004
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May 13, 2026 - 21:57 |
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I would not allow a different reroll source after loner was failed. |
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Carnis
Joined: Feb 03, 2009
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May 13, 2026 - 22:14 |
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| Candlejack wrote: | I do not see it that clear. It is stated that you can not use multiple re-roll sources on a dice pool.
For pro it is explicitly stated that if pro fails you can not use any other re-roll source.
Loner says, the re-roll is lost "as if it had been used".
Now this could be seen both ways:
a) Since Loner does not explicitly forbid the use of a different re-roll source you can use a different skill
b) Since Loner says to treat the re-roll "as if it had been used" that also extends to the effect on the dice pool.
I did not re-check but I am fairly certain the client currently applies b and considering the nicheness and complexity of the re-roll logic (you don't want to know...) I do not plan on changing it until there is some clarification or someone has a more convincing argument I missed so far. |
Thank you candlejack, I was more interested in the client interpretation than the actual rules as intended.
I think its open to interpretation, but should be clearly stated if it will be changed. So as per current implementation hatred is the safest option on a 4+ loner big guy.
However, if loner is failed the dicepool is unchanged, so a hatred reroll is not out of the question.. This would need a ruling somewhere, at some point, by someone. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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May 13, 2026 - 22:47 |
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Doesn't Loner or Pro become the last check you made? |
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