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| ideas for Box MM |
| tick option to pair pure Box teams with pure Box teams |
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34% |
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| GF teams can't get back to GF once they played a Box match, all their future matches will have to be played in the Box |
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2% |
[ 1 ] |
| 1 GF match allowed per 2 Box matches played by a team |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| pie |
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63% |
[ 28 ] |
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| Total Votes : 44 |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 01, 2026 - 16:30 |
 
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It wasn't an insult by me, honestly. You perceived it like an insult, but wasn't my intention. It was to make an example to say that my teams would be better if farmed on GF and it would be better to face pure Box teams or teams which played mostly in the Box. That was my point. I had no reason to insult you or even think about insulting you. 
To address the problem more changes would be needed (splitting the divisions again, making the Season shorter etc).
Since those changes can't be made because they would be too radical, I suggested the tick option as soft compromise, in order to affect only the people interested in being matched with a pure Box team, instead of forcing everybody to do it. I understand that would not be enough to make you play in the Box, but that wasn't my goal. I would be fine with just not facing super developed GF teams. Other people as well, I suspect.
My suggestion would not be the optimal solution, I agree, but it would be a little improvement of the current system, in my opinion.
Last, but not least, a Season 2 team with 5 stat boosted players is clearly an unfair team and match-up, my perception of fair game is ok, I think.
How many Box-only Season 2 teams have you seen sporting 5 stat boosted players?
I never had 5 stat boosted players and I never faced such a team before, with hundreds of BB 2025 Box games.
It's not possible or way harder to build a team like that with Box only games. Otherwise, I would be facing teams like that often. |
Last edited by MattDakka on Sep 02, 2026; edited 1 time in total |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Sep 01, 2026 - 18:23 |
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Ya know, we could allow first-season teams to tick a box where they only meet other first-season teams. That would solve most of the actual problem here. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 01, 2026 - 18:27 |
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It's already like that. Season 1 teams can be paired only with other Season 1 teams in the Box.
Season 2+ teams can be paired only with Season 2+ teams. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Sep 01, 2026 - 19:29 |
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Oh, ok, I thought I had heard about that, heh.
So, uh, your problem is with redrafted teams getting too big because farming?
Let me tell you, man, the way to get your team big is just to play it and build smart. Stats in the right places, make your own luck, all that. You can't presume someone is or isn't farming by where they play. You can't. I lucked into a couple good stats on my Orcs right at the end of season 1, so I kept them. That made them unplayable in Gamefinder, so I torment the same exact coaches in Box, and they know it's coming, but they gotta do it anyway. The same people who dodge me will happily spin to their doom and take even more wildly unfair matches. It's far worse than the fair fights I get in gamefinder. You can farm anything.
In fact, I checked it out. Never mind that my first matchup was some fool in Gamefinder pinging me with Goblins. No, I've had 22 matches with this team, 11 in each (I log into both and take what I can get). I've inflicted 34 Cas in Gamefinder and 35 in Blackbox. But the development kicked in on a string of Box games, where I got 15 Cas in 2 games against teams I should never have played and that would never have played me on Gamefinder.
Get over yourself. |
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Drrek
Joined: Jul 23, 2012
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Sep 01, 2026 - 19:30 |
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I can tell you his problem with redrafted teams. He lost a game and needs to find some way to make it not his fault because his fragile ego can't handle losing. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 01, 2026 - 19:44 |
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| JackassRampant wrote: | Oh, ok, I thought I had heard about that, heh.
So, uh, your problem is with redrafted teams getting too big because farming? |
I just don't want to be matched with teams which played most (or even just 1) of their games on GF. Playing on GF it's prone to exploit, as a team with 5 stat boosted player proves.
No Season 2 Box team I faced but that had 5 stat boosted players.
I don't presume that somebody farms or not, I just don't want to be matched with somebody playing most of their games on GF, is that hard to understand? The coach may be or not a picker, but the simple fact they are using the GF is already negative in my book. I don't mind people playing unranked, friendly games with GF, but if CR points are involved and I might face GF teams farmed in a Box draw, I do mind.
I don't mind facing monster teams developed in the Box, I do mind facing monster teams developed on GF.
About your GF games: games played on GF are worth nothing to me.
If you play only in the Box you will have a point.
You can play thousands of games on GF, for me they are worth nothing and make me think that the coach wants to pick.
Otherwise, the coach would just play in the Box all their games.
If the coach lives in NA it's not my problem. I wasted 3 hours to find a game in the Box this afternoon and eventually I found it, despite being in Euro time zone (which should help to find a game). If you don't want to do the same ok, but don't even dare to talk with me about your GF games and use the: "I can't find games because I live in NA time zone" as an excuse not to play in the Box.
It's pish posh to me.
Play in the Box, only in the Box your Orcs or whatever team.
100% games in the Box, no games on GF.
Then we can start to talk about how to build the teams.
Don't lecture me using GF games as example.
You can't compare playing on GF with playing in the Box, they are very different environments.
Facta, non verba. Play only in the Box if you want to impress me with your smart team building.
It's not a coincidence that I never watch GF games, it's because they are worthless to my eyes. Even Box games are not that great to watch at the moment, due to this silly BB 2025 and low TV teams, with badly GW designed rosters, but at least the people playing there didn't pick their matches.
End of Season 1 Orcs unplayable on GF?! Come on, I managed to found games with my 1600 HE team in the Box. If you want, eventually you will find a game in the Box. It may take hours, but it will happen. Patience is the key.
And, final note: it doesn't take a team building genius to take the stat boosts, I know that, they are underpriced in this ruleset. My problem is: if I make my teams grow too much, I could not find a game in the Box, moreover, taking too many stat boosts on some players, instead of a single stat freak, makes the players harder to re-draft. While taking stat boosts can work for a Season 1 and Season 2 team, it's harder to keep 5 stat boosted players on Season 3. The team on Season 3 will have to drop some of them. It's an advantage doomed to fade, but it's strong if the team is still relatively young and gets matched with a Season 3 (which was more affected by the Agent Fees to keep its players than the Season 2 team, due to different age).
The best counter to super farmed teams is developing a one turner and reducing to the minimum the game interaction.
Why a one turner? Because it's just 1 stat boosted player heavily affecting games, which can be realistically kept for at least a couple of Seasons. Keeping 3-4 stat boosted players on a Season 3+ team gets hard.
About Drrek: have you made your Tuesday forum psychological analysis about me? Nice, I hope you enjoyed it! |
Last edited by MattDakka on Sep 02, 2026; edited 1 time in total |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Sep 01, 2026 - 21:24 |
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TBH, hearing it that way makes me a lot less sympathetic. You're trying to be a pharisee, but almost nobody else cares about your supposed "status symbol", and your objectives are contrary to the needs of the site.
It sounds like you need to keep up with the times, like you're complaining that the game isn't the one you remember, when, uh, of course it's not. Meet the realities where they're at: the "purist" approach in your head doesn't match the messy facts on the ground. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 01, 2026 - 21:45 |
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I don't care about who doesn't care about me.
The GF system is contrary to fairness of the rankings of the site. People using the GF either pick noobs (negative), accept offers by noobs too clueless to assess or care about the fairness of a match (negative), get picked by better coaches and farm their teams, which could be matched vs my teams (negative) which play only in the Box (positive, because these teams can't pick noobs and easy match-ups on purpose thus skewing the rankings). I ask you: would it be possible for a Box-only coach to have 87% win rate (let's say playing at least 100 Box games)? No, it would not be possible, this is a statistical, scientifical fact, not my opinion. The top Box coaches have a win rate around 75%. I just ask not to be matched with such GF people. If GF picking is considered fair, then BBT teams should be allowed to pick all their games.
It sounds like you need to stay on topic, instead: it wasn't a thread about me complaining about the game, me as person, my mind or how much different the game is from what I remember.
It's a thread about options to avoid/reduce finding GF teams in Box games.
If I play only in the Box I should have the right to face only Box teams. I don't ask everybody to do this, but just to be allowed to filter the GF teams, as individual coach, with an option. |
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Drrek
Joined: Jul 23, 2012
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Sep 01, 2026 - 22:15 |
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I don't need to make a psychological analysis of you, because what you are has been apparent to everyone for years, and I can only hope that someday you either grow up or stop spamming the forum whenever you lose a game. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 01, 2026 - 22:50 |
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Since it has been apparent to everyone for years there was no need for you to pop up here and point it out with an obvious statement instead of talking about the options in my first post.
Who is the spammer? You. Not contributing to the debate in a constructive way.
You just want to attack me personally, it's what forum trolls do. |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Sep 02, 2026 - 00:00 |
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@Matt: While I totally get your point, I have the feeling it is hard to discuss the topic 'fact based'. You have your oppinion about how the game should look like and how people should act to enable a 'fair and competitive' environment that allows a propper CR ranking. Because to be honest as soon as you give rationals to your arguments it all goes back to 'GF games are worthless and should not considered for ranking...'. Which - I say it again - is an oppinion I could share. But - and here starts the problem - CR rankings and most competitive and fair match making are not the most important thing for most coaches here. At least this is my feeling. While finding games as easy as possible is.
So, while I understand and appreciate your willingness to contribute to the potential improvement, I also highly recomment to accept the fact that people may have different ideas about the ideal situation here on FUMBBL. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Sep 02, 2026 - 00:34 |
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It kinda shouldn't matter, Matt, what people think about you or whether or not they agree with you, but there's a caveat.
If you're gonna post this, you most likely aren't just stating your opinion for no reason, especially if your opinion includes a prescription. There's nothing wrong with that: a bunch of us old-timers chiming in here and there is good for the community, even if people don't buy it. There's nothing even wrong with picking a hobby-horse and sticking to it. But your hobby horse has to be something that the community can ride, or you have to accept "old man yells at cloud" status. If your suggestion is objectively less viable, any competitive gain only matters if it's really super clear-cut, and frankly, there's controversy here, so I don't know what else to say.
Shortening the season length is a much more winnable battle. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Sep 02, 2026 - 02:01 |
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A shorter Season would be an improvement indeed, I'd like it, but a Box option affecting only people selecting it sounds reasonable too.
It's not forcing people to ride my hobby horse, because I'm not asking everybody to play with my Box-only opponent filter.
People not wanting that couldn't select it, simple. Nobody would be forced. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Sep 02, 2026 - 02:30 |
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Letting people do stuff isn't neutral. A shorter season wouldn't make matchups harder to engineer. Splitting up Box would. |
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CrisisChris
Joined: Dec 11, 2023
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Sep 02, 2026 - 08:08 |
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Just a short clarification on Jacks post and repeating my answer: It would indeed affect people even if they do not select it themselves. Because it will Limit their potential matching teams. |
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