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pac



Joined: Oct 03, 2005

Post   Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 20:05 Reply with quote Back to top

In a similar vein to this thread on common general subjects, this sticky is an attempt to provide links to the best past threads discussing tactics in a number of frequently discussed areas.


A brief comment on what prompted me to make this thread: I think that FUMBBL should be the best source for BB tactical advice around. There have been more games played here, between better coaches, than anywhere else. However, the resulting coaching expertise is not that well-organised, meaning that sometimes coaches are directed towards off-site resources which, while often better presented, are not always as well-informed as what this site could potentially provide.

So this thread should be considered a step towards turning FUMBBL's accumulated collective tactical wisdom into more accessible forms.


A few points before the links:

• Please also check out the Stickies at the top of the Tactics & Strategy Forum, where lots of helpful advice on many tactical basics can be found. The sections below concentrate on somewhat more advanced areas of tactics.

• This is simply a reference tool. Just because an area of tactics has been discussed before and linked here does not mean it should never be discussed again. Nonetheless, it may be that a coach who has made a comprehensive post on a subject in the past is not inclined to post on it again - in that case, you will only find their wisdom by checking the archives.

• This list is a work in progress. If you want to recommend that a new thread be added to a section, or that an entire new section be added, please post a reply, and I will check it out and edit things into this initial post as we go ... Equally, if you think that a thread that is currently included is not 'worthy' and is just bulking the post out, name it and shame it.

My system while putting this together has been as follows: work back through the Tactics & Strategy forum; examine every thread which is at least 3 pages long (I think this in particular has led to a lot of good stuff being missed, but looking through shorter threads requires a lot more time!) and was not just a 'what skill?' thread; if that thread contains anything useful, file it under one or more categories.

Note that this system will have led me to miss anything good which was in a shorter thread, or not in this forum (or where a 'what skill?' thread turned into something more general).

• This thread is not for the purpose of further discussing the tactics listed - but please start a new thread (or revive one of these old ones) if anything mentioned here inspires you.

• This thread does not cover BB 'ethics' - eg, is it right to foul/stall/sneak hire/etc? Such discussion topics should be covered by this thread's cousin in General Chat (see link at top of post). This thread is concerned with the use of tactics which are within the rules of the game and the site to your advantage, and not with meta-game issues related to them.

• Finally, the set of links below should be just a starting point for a larger project to collect and distil FUMBBL's collective tactical expertise. The long-term project is to draw together the best points made in different threads and turn them into comprehensive tactical guides. Feel free to start any time. Smile


General Tactics

Caging and cage-breaking

Summary: Caging is the key tactic for learning to coach a whole range of bashy teams. Cage-breaking is the key tactic for anyone playing against those teams.

Threads:
- Advancing a cage - First post: 25 July, 2006
- Cage Breaking article first draft - First post: 20 September, 2006
- Cage breaking strategies - First post: 12 August, 2005

See also:
- Caging 101 in the GLN


Crowdpushing

Summary: It's easy to beat an opponent once you've pushed his best players off the pitch.

Threads:
- sideline pushing - First post: 2 August, 2003

See also:
- Everyone is crowdsurfing! in the GLN


Elves: How to beat them

Summary: Sure, they're squishy, but they just keep scoring!

Threads:
- How to beat elves - First post: 4 September, 2007
- Orc defence vs fast teams? - First post: 14 December, 2008


Elves vs bashers

Summary: Think elves are doomed against snarly, dirty, bashy things like Orcs and Chaos? Read and think again!

Threads:
- Fighting Strength Without Strength - First post: 21 October, 2007 - Not exactly elves vs bashers, but covers much of the same ground
- High Elf vs stronger teams question. - First post: 18 April, 2008 - Also relevant to other elf lists
- How to stall with Elves. - First post: 19 November, 2007

See also:
- Do the Risky Things First? in the GLN, and part two of the same


Formations

Summary: How to set up (on defence) with and against various teams in various situations.

Threads:
- Defensive scheme for we - First post: 1 October, 2008
- Good Formations - First post: 12 January, 2006

See also:
- Defensive Setups in the Help/FAQ


Fouling - and how to avoid it

Summary: How to maximise and minimise the effects of fouling, as appropriate.

Threads:
- Defending Against fouling - First post: 19 May, 2008
- Fouling advice - First post: 14 February, 2007
- Fouling in the strategic sense - First post: 21 July, 2005
- Dirty Player on Dark Elves team? - First post: 7 July, 2005 - Views on the elfy side of fouling in general

See also:
- Christer's take on fouling in the GLN


Good beginner roster

Summary: What kind of team should a coach new to the game use? A 'forgiving' team, like Orcs, one which can do a little of everything, like Humans, or something else entirely?

Threads:
- Easiest teams for newbs - First post: 6 September, 2008


Kick or Receive?

Summary: Most coaches' instinct is to choose to receive upon winning the toss so as to get 'first blood' - but are there circumstances when it's better to kick?

Threads:
- Coin toss choice? - First post: 23 September, 2007
- When to kick, when to receive - First post: 29 September, 2008


One-turn scoring

Summary: Should you develop a 'natural' one-turner? How, and when, should it be done?

Threads:
- Skaven and their oneturners: - First post: 31 October, 2007
- The Oneturner thread - First post: 18 January, 2009

See also:
- OTT in the Help/FAQ - How to OTS with a number of unlikely candidates


Stalling and Clock Control

Summary: Any stalling thread will veer into the question of whether stalling is 'right' or 'fair' at least occasionally. The ones linked focus more on tactical questions of how to use stalling to control the game to your advantage.

Threads:
- stalling=your fault - First post: 6 August, 2006
- High Elf vs stronger teams question. - First post: 18 April, 2008 - Moves on to more general clock control questions
- How to stall with Elves. - First post: 19 November, 2007


Stat increases

Summary: When should +MA/+AG/+ST be taken or not taken? Featuring ... Plorg!

Threads:
- Should I take +MA? - First post: 27 September, 2008
- Should I take +AG? - First post: 27 September, 2008
- Should I take +ST? - First post: 26 April, 2006


Roster-specific Tactics
including anti-roster tactics!

Amazon tactics

Threads:
- Lishi´s Amazon Tactics - First post: 11 October, 2005
- How to Beat Amazons with Limited Tackle - First post: 31 January, 2006

See also:
- Amazon Strategy in the Help/FAQ


Chaos tactics

Threads:
- Alternative Chaos Teams - First post: 2 May, 2005 - Thoughts on alternatives to the Claw/RSC way (and why they're not as good)

See also:
- Chaos Strategy in the Help/FAQ


Chaos Dwarf tactics

Threads:
- How to play Chaos dwarves? - First post: 16 March, 2008

See also:
- Chaos Dwarf Strategy in the Help/FAQ


Dark Elf tactics

Threads:
- DE-coach in need of advice - First post: 17 December, 2005
- Defending with Dark elves - First post: 7 July, 2005

See also:
- Dark Elf Strategy in the Help/FAQ


Dwarf tactics

Threads:
- Dwarf Tips, Questions and Thoughts - First post: 22 November, 2007

See also:
- Dwarf Strategy in the Help/FAQ
- The Dwarf RAQ in the GLN


Elf (Pro Elf) tactics

Threads:
- Do pro elves suck? - First post: 5 February, 2005

See also:
- Elf Strategy in the Help/FAQ


Goblin tactics

Threads:
- Tactica...... Gobbo Freak Show - First post: 10 February, 2005

See also:
- Goblin Strategy in the Help/FAQ
- Goblin Team Tactics in the GLN


Halfling tactics

Threads:
- Halfling Advice - First post: 4 June, 2008

See also:
- Halfling Strategy in the Help/FAQ
- The Recipe for Fling Success in the GLN


High Elf tactics

Threads:
- High Elf vs stronger teams question. - First post: 18 April, 2008

See also:
- High Elf Strategy in the Help/FAQ


Human tactics

Threads:
- Tactics and setup for humans - First post: 17 October, 2006
- Standard Human teams - First post: 11 November, 2005

See also:
- Human Strategy in the Help/FAQ
- A Lecture on How to Coach Humans in the GLN


Khemri tactics

Threads:
- Plorg's Picks: XFL Khemri 2006 - First post: 9 June, 2006 - This analysis of how the Khemri XFL was fought and won provides many useful insights

See also:
- Khemri Strategy in the Help/FAQ


Lizardman tactics

Threads:
- Optihut's lizardmen musings - First post: 25 September, 2007

See also:
- Lizardman Strategy in the Help/FAQ


Necromantic tactics

Threads:
- Why are Necromantic teams so much worse than Undead? - First post: 14 December, 2006 - Or are they?

See also:
- Necromantic Strategy in the Help/FAQ
- Necromantic! in the GLN


Norse tactics

Threads:
- sideline pushing - First post: 2 August, 2003 - Crowdpushing is the next best thing to Norse-specific

See also:
- Norse Strategy in the Help/FAQ
- Everyone is crowdsurfing! in the GLN


Nurgle tactics

Threads:
- Nurgle's Rotters strategy - First post: 24 January, 2008

See also:
- Nurgle Strategy in the Help/FAQ


Orc tactics

Threads:
- OK I admit I'm at a loss: Orcs. - First post: 20 May, 2008
- Orc team... needs advice - First post: 18 January, 2009
- Orc defence vs fast teams? - First post: 14 December, 2008
- How to beat them orcs... Anytime, anywhere! - First post: 23 November, 2006

See also:
- Orc Strategy in the Help/FAQ
- Death Bowl in the GLN


Skaven tactics

Threads:
- Skaven and their oneturners: - First post: 31 October, 2007

See also:
- Skaven Strategy in the Help/FAQ


Undead tactics

Threads:
- Undead: Ghouls or Rent-a-Count - First post: 7 August, 2008

See also:
- Undead Strategy in the Help/FAQ


Vampire tactics

Threads:
- How to stop sucking at the game and start sucking blood? - First post: 11 July, 2008

See also:
- Vampire Strategy in the Help/FAQ
- Pardon Me, But Your Teeth Are In My Neck in the GLN


Wood Elf tactics

Threads:
- Defensive scheme for we - First post: 1 October, 2008

See also:
- Wood Elf Strategy in the Help/FAQ
- Wood Elf Strategy Guide in the GLN
- Do the Risky Things First? in the GLN, and part two of the same


Last edited by pac on Apr 03, 2012 - 03:23; edited 20 times in total
snatch



Joined: Sep 21, 2007

Post   Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 20:24 Reply with quote Back to top

I must say this is a really nice idea..

hmmm pac have you ever replied or postet anything with only a few words?
pac



Joined: Oct 03, 2005

Post   Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 20:27 Reply with quote Back to top

snatch wrote:
hmmm pac have you ever replied or postet anything with only a few words?

Yes.
Mates



Joined: Feb 27, 2006

Post   Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 20:32 Reply with quote Back to top

Wow, haven't read the whole thing, it's way too long, but it's one exelent piece of work, well done Smile

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pac



Joined: Oct 03, 2005

Post   Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 20:36 Reply with quote Back to top

Mates wrote:
Wow, haven't read the whole thing, it's way too long, but it's one exelent piece of work, well done Smile

No, it isn't a good piece of work at all. It's not remotely finished! Razz

I hope it will be very useful when it's complete, but I (and I hope others will contribute) will need to do a lot more yet. What I've posted so far is barely 2 hours work.
Mates



Joined: Feb 27, 2006

Post   Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 21:05 Reply with quote Back to top

pac wrote:
No, it isn't a good piece of work at all. It's not remotely finished! Razz

I hope it will be very useful when it's complete, but I (and I hope others will contribute) will need to do a lot more yet. What I've posted so far is barely 2 hours work.


You are crazy Razz

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Red_Raven



Joined: Sep 06, 2008

Post   Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 21:09 Reply with quote Back to top

Let me just say its appreciated especially me. Being not the most tatical coach this will makes it easier for noobs
to learn tatics. I will be in here alot Thank you

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pac



Joined: Oct 03, 2005

Post   Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 21:10 Reply with quote Back to top

Okay, I have divided it into two sections now: general and roster-specific. The post is now huge! But a bit skeletal. Sad It needs more threads to put flesh on it. Thanks for the suggestions I have already had through PM and IRC!
elf_gurl



Joined: Jul 29, 2008

Post   Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 21:27 Reply with quote Back to top

You could put this thread in either the setups section or the Wood Elves section...

http://www.fumbbl.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=14552
spelledaren



Joined: Mar 06, 2004

Post   Posted: Oct 14, 2008 - 21:55 Reply with quote Back to top

I wish I had some geekgold or just a thumb to give you, but alas, you shall have to make due with my words of gratitude...

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pac



Joined: Oct 03, 2005

Post   Posted: Oct 20, 2008 - 14:16 Reply with quote Back to top

Input is still welcome on this!

Don't know when I will next have time to do some more research myself.


Note to self: Add links to all relevant GLN tactics articles.
PurpleChest



Joined: Oct 25, 2003

Post   Posted: Oct 20, 2008 - 14:30 Reply with quote Back to top

http://fumbbl.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=13141

Chaos Dwarf thread with solid quality advice

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RC



Joined: Sep 22, 2005

Post   Posted: Oct 20, 2008 - 14:39 Reply with quote Back to top

Wanna do something of what you will probably need for a mayor tourney?. St4, mb tackler, ag4 sure hand ball handler and 2 dps, that sort of thing?

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pac



Joined: Oct 03, 2005

Post   Posted: Oct 20, 2008 - 15:10 Reply with quote Back to top

RC wrote:
Wanna do something of what you will probably need for a mayor tourney?. St4, mb tackler, ag4 sure hand ball handler and 2 dps, that sort of thing?

Well, the idea of this thread is not to 'do' new things, but to provide a central point for links to what already exists. So, if you can find a thread with that kind of info, I would happily add a link to it!

On the other hand, if, through this project, it becomes clear that there's a lack of existing info on a certain subject which deserves coverage, and that prompts someone to start a thread or write an article on it, that would be great too. Very Happy


PurpleChest - thanks, will add!
Catalyst32



Joined: Jul 14, 2008

Post   Posted: Jan 19, 2009 - 05:23 Reply with quote Back to top

NECRO...

Shouldn't this be sticky?
It has several answers to several frequently asked questions.
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