JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Dec 01, 2025 - 20:11 |
 
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The concern: TV matching is no longer optimal for BB as it's being designed. Teams in leagues are going to be using both high and low TV strategies against each other, and what's more, there's an easy system for managing this stuff now.
General Proposal: can we have something roughly based on games into the season?
Specific Proposal: Team Age to replace TV.
TA = number of games into the season, +3 if this isn't your first season, plus the age in seasons of your oldest player. Something like that. Just enough to stave off the buzzsaw for rookie teams.
0 games: 0
1+ games: G+1
2nd season, 0 games: +4 (your redrafted players are 1 season old)
1+ games: G+5 (those players age)
That would let teams designed to overdog do their thing. I think that's one aspect of this edition people might not be considering. |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Dec 01, 2025 - 20:18 |
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Would this play into the old pitfall of teams that don’t get many SPPs in their
first few games get progressively more mismatched? Though perhaps only significant for matches within the same season. Still it is another off field factor skewing matches which doesn’t suit everyone. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Dec 01, 2025 - 20:23 |
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Yep. Knowing when and how to cut bait on a failing season is a thing in this set, given the FUMBBL season rules. You choose when to redraft.
Nothing wrong with "tough it out until I have enough cash for maximum redraft and hope that blitzer survives and gets some SPP, try again next time." No long-term flailing, though. Just some internal reckoning.
Also, if your TV is falling behind, you get inducements. That matters now. Also also, some teams will have to float TV and overdog you heavy, which might be a good thing. |
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Chingis
Joined: Jul 09, 2007
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Dec 01, 2025 - 21:23 |
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| garyt1 wrote: | Would this play into the old pitfall of teams that don’t get many SPPs in their
first few games get progressively more mismatched? |
I think the idea that you can avoid mismatches is misplaced. You will always have mismatches. The question is what metric would you like to have mismatches in?
Would you like to have mismatches in TV? Or would you like to have mismatches in team development? If you match to minimise team age differences, you are saying you are happy for teams with different TVs play and let inducements do their job. If you match to minimise TV differences, you are saying you are happy for teams who have had fourteen games to earn SPPs and carefully craft some ideal spread of TV "spend" match up against teams fresh out of the box who have no opportunity to do the same. |
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Zelmor
Joined: Sep 29, 2022
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Dec 01, 2025 - 22:24 |
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I can't wait to match your 975TV Shambling Undead team missing two Mummies in game 14 in BBT with my 1560TV Orc team with 6 guards and 4 mighty blows. That would be fun for me. Would it be fun for you though?
I don't think so. Matching with a TV bracket is proven to work well enough for the purpose of the BBT. Teams do low TV strategies already, it is the standard way of starting out a Norse run if you want to get into the Gauntlet. |
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Chingis
Joined: Jul 09, 2007
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Dec 01, 2025 - 22:51 |
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| Zelmor wrote: | I can't wait to match your 975TV Shambling Undead team missing two Mummies in game 14 in BBT with my 1560TV Orc team with 6 guards and 4 mighty blows. That would be fun for me. Would it be fun for you though?
I don't think so. Matching with a TV bracket is proven to work well enough for the purpose of the BBT. Teams do low TV strategies already, it is the standard way of starting out a Norse run if you want to get into the Gauntlet. |
Why don't you think so? That's exactly what I'd like, for instance. It's far preferable to meeting that 14-game-old undead team with my own fresh team in their first game. If we're both 14-game teams, we are the same type of team, playing the same game, having had the same journey to get there, even if one of us has done better than the other. Playing a team of significantly different team development that has had opportunities you haven't even had never feels good, it spoils the game before it's even started (facing grandfathered teams which are literally teams from a different game is even worse).
(I'm not sure why you think the undead would be down two mummies in your example though? There's more than enough money for two mercenary mummies, and lots more!) |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Dec 02, 2025 - 00:04 |
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mrt1212
Joined: Feb 26, 2013
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Dec 02, 2025 - 00:54 |
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I just did a few season restarts so I could play them again (I got fumbbl on my Steam Deck via google remote desktop so...) and it's like...
It hasn't been very fun being picked by norse that is somewhat developed at all times under 1200 and throwing a team that has one carryover and all rookies at them. I'll try just matchmaking from this point forward but it feels like I'm going to have to go through 2-3 game motions on season restart against teams that are just plain suited to never skip a beat below a certain TV. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Dec 02, 2025 - 03:17 |
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| Zelmor wrote: | I can't wait to match your 975TV Shambling Undead team missing two Mummies in game 14 in BBT with my 1560TV Orc team with 6 guards and 4 mighty blows. That would be fun for me. Would it be fun for you though?
I don't think so. Matching with a TV bracket is proven to work well enough for the purpose of the BBT. Teams do low TV strategies already, it is the standard way of starting out a Norse run if you want to get into the Gauntlet. |
In addition to Chingis's reply (which I agree with), you're talking about just one game. It's not like a season where you get train-wrecked initially and just get rinse-repeated over and over. Here, the hazard is one game, and you could prematurely end the season if you wanted. If you don't, well, added bennie: nothing bad can happen to your Mummies in the last game!
| mrt1212 wrote: | I just did a few season restarts so I could play them again (I got fumbbl on my Steam Deck via google remote desktop so...) and it's like...
It hasn't been very fun being picked by norse that is somewhat developed at all times under 1200 and throwing a team that has one carryover and all rookies at them. I'll try just matchmaking from this point forward but it feels like I'm going to have to go through 2-3 game motions on season restart against teams that are just plain suited to never skip a beat below a certain TV. |
This would solve that problem, if you don't mind flushing your legends. If you just restart afresh, your TA is 3. If you keep a super star, it's 8 (assuming that player is no more than 5 seasons old; otherwise it's more). Your second-season team, if it wants to restart with all the cash you need, is not going to get picked until it's had a couple games to build up.
Could also have a rule that if you don't spend more than 1M and don't redraft anyone, it's +0. |
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Sp00keh
Joined: Dec 06, 2011
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Dec 02, 2025 - 11:33 |
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"TV matching is no longer optimal for BB as it's being designed"
Why? what has changed in 2025, to make this claim?
TV is the best metric of a team's strength we have,
If anything, it's got more accurate because there's no longer the 10k randoms, and elite skills got more expensive
So I'm not sure why anything other than TV-matching would be better? |
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Loon
Joined: Aug 14, 2024
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Dec 02, 2025 - 14:12 |
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Buffed prayers to nuffle also helps the underdogs |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Dec 02, 2025 - 14:27 |
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I'm not a fan of Seasons, but they work quite well with the TV pairing. I think they should be shorter (to trim more the stat freaks and make the TV gaps smaller). 10-game Season should be ok, according to my experience. I suggested 12-game some time ago (mainly not to piss people off too much, there are some pixelhuggers around here), but I saw some Vampire teams quite developed, even after just 12 games, so, 10-game Season should be a right number.
With a 15-game Season it's possible that a Season 2, game 1 team faces a Season 2 game, 14 team, with a 13-game gap.
With a 10-game Season that game gap would be 9 games max.
It's better if the Season is shorter, because it trims the teams more often (making keeping stat freak less advantageous).
About the team age: the number of games to measure a team effectiveness is not very accurate. A younger team with higher AV could have more developed players than an older team with lower AV players. What matters is the value of the players you can field on the pitch, not necessarily the number of games your team has played.
As an aside, I'd like a different pairing:
Season 1-2 teams paired together, Season 3+ paired together.
The reason is that a Season 2 team has not experienced yet a TV trim as severe as a Season 3+ team.
A Season 2 team pays only 20k agent fees, a Season 3+ pays 40k or more, that's quite a big difference.
I noticed that some mismatches I played involved one of my Season 3+ teams facing a freshly re-drafted Season 2 team. |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Dec 02, 2025 - 15:01 |
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It's interesting that last edition 14 was the rulebook example redraft and now it's 7. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Dec 02, 2025 - 15:18 |
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Now the SPPs required to level up are less and there is the D6 MVP nomination.
Both things speed the development up, they could be the reasons for a shorter Re-Draft. |
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Carthage
Joined: Mar 18, 2021
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Dec 02, 2025 - 16:53 |
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Doesn't them tossing the reduced value of random skills actually *improve* the TV matching?
What am I missing here?
The problem I had with TV matching were the sharks with ultra optimized 1100-1200TV teams 5 seasons in sharking game 3 teams. Christer fixed that with the BBT protection; after that BB has felt fine.
Unless the argument is that stats being cheaper makes TV matching worse? |
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