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pythrr



Joined: Mar 07, 2006

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 18:14 Reply with quote Back to top

I'd say 1600 is about when chaos becomes tier 1, as long as they develop wisely

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licker



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Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 18:37 Reply with quote Back to top

From 900 to 1200 Chaos have a 60% win rate vs. Halflings.

Don't believe this nonsense that Halflings are better. They are not, they are terrible in any matchup not against Ogres.

Seriously, how daft are people being?
mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 18:41 Reply with quote Back to top

licker wrote:
From 900 to 1200 Chaos have a 60% win rate vs. Halflings.

Don't believe this nonsense that Halflings are better. They are not, they are terrible in any matchup not against Ogres.

Seriously, how daft are people being?


I feel like Wreckage needs to play 100 games as flings vs. chaos to prove us wrong. Wink
mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 18:46 Reply with quote Back to top

Oh my god, sample size issues are hilarious. Check out the Woodies 1700-2500 Race vs. Race. Gobbos have 2-1-1 record against them.

I wonder how many of these high TV gobbo games I'm personally responsible for.
licker



Joined: Jul 10, 2009

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 18:53 Reply with quote Back to top

mrt1212 wrote:
licker wrote:
From 900 to 1200 Chaos have a 60% win rate vs. Halflings.

Don't believe this nonsense that Halflings are better. They are not, they are terrible in any matchup not against Ogres.

Seriously, how daft are people being?


I feel like Wreckage needs to play 100 games as flings vs. chaos to prove us wrong. Wink


It's even worse for Halfers vs. Chaos if you do a 0-1000 scrape.

Halfers are a consummate joke team. Anyone who thinks they are good at any level vs. any other team (besides Ogres who are even more of a joke) is delusional.
JackassRampant



Joined: Feb 26, 2011

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 20:06 Reply with quote Back to top

So you're playing Halflings in NBFL, right?

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garyt1



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Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 20:23 Reply with quote Back to top

Ogres love 3Dbs v Halflings.

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mrt1212



Joined: Feb 26, 2013

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 20:49 Reply with quote Back to top

JackassRampant wrote:
So you're playing Halflings in NBFL, right?


Thatd be a coup
keggiemckill



Joined: Oct 07, 2004

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 21:14 Reply with quote Back to top

The Tier system is for 100 TV-110 TV TT Tournaments. There is an argument that all teams can reach Tier 1, the way most of you are putting it.

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mrt1212



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Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 21:16 Reply with quote Back to top

keggiemckill wrote:
The Tier system is for 100 TV-110 TV TT Tournaments. There is an argument that all teams can reach Tier 1, the way most of you are putting it.


Except thats not borne out fron the stats.
licker



Joined: Jul 10, 2009

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 21:31 Reply with quote Back to top

mrt1212 wrote:
JackassRampant wrote:
So you're playing Halflings in NBFL, right?


Thatd be a coup


Still haven't decided. I might do it for a season just for the hell of it. Jeffro did it once, but I don't think he ultimately enjoyed the experience.

Re: the tier system...

People throw around 'tiers' all the time, but no one actually defines it. The GW definition is probably not one which most people would agree with anyway, I know I don't, or at least I think their definition is completely pointless.

But, for keggie, yes, almost all teams can reach T1 if you use the GW definition of it, but since it's actually defined not by 'potential' but by actual win rates, there are ~4 teams which don't reach T1.

Yep, only 4, everything else is literally T1.

Which is why it's a stupid way to define it.
PainState



Joined: Apr 04, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 21:39 Reply with quote Back to top

licker wrote:
[Yep, only 4, everything else is literally T1.

Which is why it's a stupid way to define it.


Ok, lets take a look at FUMBBL stats and decided for ourselves.

Pirigin wrote:
Leaderboard of Races

When ranking races a W equals 11 points, an F equals 5 points and an S equals 2 points. The sum of points for each Race is displayed in the list aswell.

Last updated after Lustrian Challenge X (2516))

Legend: W = won the tournament, F = lost in the final game, S = lost in any of the semi-final games

Races
1 Orc WWWWWWWWWWWFFFFFFFFFSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 202
2 Wood Elf WWWWWWWWWWWFFFFSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 181
3 Chaos Dwarf WWWWWWWWWFFFFFSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 156
4 Dark Elf WWWWWWFFFFFFFFFFFSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 153
5 Chaos WWWWWWFFFFFFFFFSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 145
6 Dwarf WWWWWWWWWWFFFSSSSSSSSS 143
7 Skaven WWWWWWWFFFFFFFFFSSSSSSSSS 140
8 Nurgle WWWWWWWWFFSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 126
9 Lizardman WWWFFFFFFSSSSSS 75
10 High Elf WWFFFFFSSSSS 57
11 Necromantic WWFFFFSSSS 50
12 Undead WFFFFSSSSSSS 43
13 Human WFSSSSSS 28
14 Vampire WFSSSSS 26
15 Amazon WFFSS 25
16 Elf WFSSS 22
17 Khemri FFFSSS 21
18 Ogre W 11
19 Chaos Pact FF 10
20 Underworld S 2
20 Slann S 2
20 Norse S 2
23 Goblin - 0
23 Halfling - 0


Ill do my best to keep the information completely accurate and true, but if you notice something that might be wrong, please let me know!



Now across ALL DIVS...are Slann dominating?


Looking at this set of data there is 2-3 tiers of teams based on results.

Now, of course we can debate the data based on the fact this is from R/B and only in majors.

BUT

If we could draw all the data from League play and then rank them by race. Do you think the data presented would be contrarian?

Oh, yeah, in a controlled environment of a 10 team premiership of league play, Slann are a unstoppable jugger and winning left and right?

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PainState



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Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 21:48 Reply with quote Back to top

You look at that set of data I just presented and then put it into the context of LRB4 to CRP.

Some teams have all their results in the LRB4 era of FUMBBL and some have almost all their results in CRP.

Take NURGLE as an example....total rubbish in the LRB4 period of FUMBBL. Look at their results once CRP went live.

We, can go on an on about that aspect of the chart.

BUT

There is a Tier 1-3 system in the ranking regardless of R/B/L play in the context of, I want to play a race that has a good chance of winning a tournament or league.

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pythrr



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Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 21:53 Reply with quote Back to top

18 Ogre W 11
19 Chaos Pact FF 10
20 Underworld S 2
20 Slann S 2
20 Norse S 2
23 Goblin - 0
23 Halfling - 0

All basically trash at high TV (where majors are played)

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PainState



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Post   Posted: Jan 13, 2017 - 21:57 Reply with quote Back to top

pythrr wrote:
18 Ogre W 11
19 Chaos Pact FF 10
20 Underworld S 2
20 Slann S 2
20 Norse S 2
23 Goblin - 0
23 Halfling - 0

All basically trash at high TV (where majors are played)


Just to make my point.

Are those races winning in league play?

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