Foad
Joined: Sep 02, 2007
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Oct 07, 2019 - 13:29 |
 
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| harvestmouse wrote: | | Sigmar1 wrote: | Does this mean players with double Juggernaught will get their skill back? ;P
Asking for a friend. |
Missed this.  |
The trick is, if they then take Piling On, and then Piling On gets banned again... Do we get triple Piling On?
Also are there any players out there with double Claw (from RSC LRB4 nerf) *and* double Juggs? |
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Mattius
Joined: Sep 03, 2006
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Oct 07, 2019 - 13:48 |
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I personally think bloodbowl is in a golden era right now where it's as close to being balanced as it ever has been due to the new rule set. I think if PO is to return, even in a weaker form, i am nervous it will bring back some no go areas when it comes to team value.
Ultimetely they've done well so far so i'm hopeful any changes to the rules will be sensible. GW want to make money and i'm sure they are quite aware that losing player base and selling less models due to poor rule choices makes no sense. |
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Wolbum
Joined: Jul 14, 2010
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Oct 07, 2019 - 14:36 |
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| Mattius wrote: | I personally think bloodbowl is in a golden era right now where it's as close to being balanced as it ever has been due to the new rule set. I think if PO is to return, even in a weaker form, i am nervous it will bring back some no go areas when it comes to team value.
Ultimetely they've done well so far so i'm hopeful any changes to the rules will be sensible. GW want to make money and i'm sure they are quite aware that losing player base and selling less models due to poor rule choices makes no sense. |
I think there is little to worry about to be honest Matt. It can only be used once a turn and excessive rerolls results in huge bloat. Certainly the old clawpomb had controversy but the new one I feel is fine. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Oct 07, 2019 - 14:56 |
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I don't find the new ruleset so balanced.
Piling On removal has been a big improvement and the best change, but there are still many other rules to change and some rosters should be tweaked to really improve the game.
Re-adding Piling On, even with team rr requirement, would be a step towards dumbing down the game. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Oct 07, 2019 - 15:14 |
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BB is never going to be balanced over all environments.
"The commissioner's word is law".
I don't see why PO has to come back just match the "official" rules. Cyanide has a horrendous ruleset and they still do more games than us.
If it looks right, bring it back. If it doesn't, don't.
If you bring it back and it turns out to be a problem. Dump it again. |
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Harad
Joined: May 11, 2014
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Oct 07, 2019 - 15:42 |
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| MattDakka wrote: | I don't find the new ruleset so balanced.
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Matt you think chess is unbalanced because white goes first 
I know what you mean, this is just pulling your leg. |
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Christer
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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And just to be clear here:
My goal with FUMBBL is to have it follow the most current ruleset available as closely as I can. I will wait until I get my copy of the Head Coach's Rules and see what the wording is. If PO is moved back into the official ruleset, then so be it.
Until that book is officially released, PO is a strictly optional rule and not part of the core rules as far as I'm concerned.
This obviously assumes the book is solid and doesn't contain clearly unintended changes. We'll find out soon enough. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Oct 07, 2019 - 15:55 |
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garyt1
Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Oct 07, 2019 - 18:51 |
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Everyone needs a piling on player now to be ready for t16 use, just before the foul. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Oct 07, 2019 - 18:59 |
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The new PO is worth having in a league environment, especially divisional leagues where attrition is a major factor. I wouldn't take it in Ranked or Box. |
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JuggerGonzo
Joined: Dec 23, 2014
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Oct 07, 2019 - 23:41 |
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Grod
Joined: Sep 30, 2003
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Oct 07, 2019 - 23:43 |
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Question: If you use Pro to reroll piling on, but the Pro roll fails, does the attacking piling on player still become prone? |
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ArrestedDevelopment
Joined: Sep 14, 2015
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Oct 08, 2019 - 01:38 |
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You cannot use pro. Why do people insist on this nonsense?
Pro is used to reroll dice - (1) you have not rolled any dice until you actually use piling on, which requires the team reroll (2) Pro itself cannot be used to reroll AV, injury or casualty dice, thus cannot be used instead of the team reroll.
It is a non-starter unless the rules are further changed. |
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Mattius
Joined: Sep 03, 2006
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Oct 12, 2019 - 23:42 |
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So it looks like it's now official that pilling on is no longer optional. I'm guessing still that wardancers being mv7 was a mistake. Should be interesting to see! |
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ClayInfinity
Joined: Aug 15, 2003
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Oct 13, 2019 - 06:31 |
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The World Cup allowed Piling On with a RR and I played Chaos in the fumbbl warm up tournament here and had a ClawPOmb minotaur. In the 6 games I played with Claw/PO combo I reckon I used it 3 times. Rerolls are precious.
I then went to Dornbirn and didnt bother with Piling On and the tournament wasn't the ClawPOMB fest that some people said it might turn into.
I think the RR version of PO is fine. You have to remember that Claw is only effective on a percentage of opposing players (AV8+ only) and if someone wants to burn TV bloat by having extra RR's and investment in a ClawPOMB player I don't have an issue with it.
You also have to remember the official rules are for finite tournaments/seasons and the perpetual play in fumbbl isn't "the norm". |
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