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Chrisdekok



Joined: Aug 09, 2021

Post 12 Posted: Aug 21, 2022 - 08:43 Reply with quote Back to top

Here is the stats for opponents for my first 47 games in the box.

Opponent Coach Rating
Legend: 6 (12,8%)
Super Star: 8 (17%)
Star: 16 (34%)
Emerging Star: 17 (36,2%)
Veteran: 0
Experienced: 0

I was at Star ranking all the games so if I substract opponents rank levels from my rank level I end upp at -3 not far from even. For an Emerging Star coach it would be thougher playing at -50 rank levels.

Opponents teams
3 points teams: 13 (27,7%)
2 points teams: 16 (34%)
1 point teams: 16 (34%)
0 point teams: 2 (4,3%)

Maybe a little light on the 0 point teams but otherwise a good variety. Probably thanks to the box trophy.

My teams for comparison
3 points teams: 15 (31,9%)
2 points teams: 10 (21,3%)
1 point teams: 15 (31,9%)
0 point teams: 7 (14,9%)
MerryZ



Joined: Nov 28, 2005

Post   Posted: Aug 21, 2022 - 08:49 Reply with quote Back to top

Maybe dont do low TV ogres then ?

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Chrisdekok



Joined: Aug 09, 2021

Post   Posted: Aug 21, 2022 - 08:51 Reply with quote Back to top

Yes I didn't understand the rules for matchmaking in the box when I made the team. My mistake.
PirateRob



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Aug 21, 2022 - 23:47 Reply with quote Back to top

Chrisdekok's stats made me curious. I'm 40 games in and my opponents have been:

Legend 3 (7.5%)
Super Star 8 (20%)
Star 13 (32.5%)
Emerging Star 13 (32.5%)
Veteran 3 (7.5%)
Experienced 0 (0%)

I'm at Star for some of my matches and Super Star for others. (My 12-1-2 Norse run into the UI and my BB Zon 11-3-1 have really shot my CR up, although playing vamps in the box has very much kept it in check.)

If I finish out this cycle and want to go again I'll probably go all Elves.


In the mean time laugh at my CR graph from trying to learn how to play 2020

https://fumbbl.com/p/coachdevel?c=PirateRob&r=0&d=0
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Aug 21, 2022 - 23:56 Reply with quote Back to top

In the post-match page your overall ranking is displayed. That means that you could be, for example, Super Star overall (all divisions) and Star in Competitive division.
PirateRob



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Aug 22, 2022 - 01:37 Reply with quote Back to top

MattDakka wrote:
In the post-match page your overall ranking is displayed. That means that you could be, for example, Super Star overall (all divisions) and Star in Competitive division.


Yup and I'm star for some of these matches and super star for other.


My record for humans in ranked always makes me chuckle though:

Record 143/84/205
Win Percentage4 3%
Legend
Chrisdekok



Joined: Aug 09, 2021

Post   Posted: Aug 22, 2022 - 08:03 Reply with quote Back to top

I'm using the overall CR displayed post match for my comparison. I don't understand why my overall CR is much higher than my competitive CR when I have played almost all my games in competitive?

As a side note I'm very surprised to see that participating in the box trophy has increased my CR. Maybe I'm not so good at picking as I thought.
C0ddlefish



Joined: Sep 17, 2019

Post   Posted: Aug 22, 2022 - 09:30 Reply with quote Back to top

Maybe you are a picker Razz

Beating a higher ranked coach impacts your CR more than beating a lower ranked coach, the reverse is also true to losing. So it is conceivable to have a much lower win rate but higher CR if you have played better coaches.

On the first question, I think its because CR is comparative. So your [C] ranking is just against everyone else's [C] ranking, whilst overall compare to [C], [B] and [R].
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Aug 22, 2022 - 11:55 Reply with quote Back to top

Chrisdekok wrote:

As a side note I'm very surprised to see that participating in the box trophy has increased my CR. Maybe I'm not so good at picking as I thought.

Box is the only true way! Very Happy
MerryZ



Joined: Nov 28, 2005

Post   Posted: Aug 22, 2022 - 12:19 Reply with quote Back to top

Also box is easy way to boost CR.

More easy to get favourable matches than finder.

Tho trophy kinda tries to do the opposite Wink

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Chrisdekok



Joined: Aug 09, 2021

Post   Posted: Aug 22, 2022 - 13:22 Reply with quote Back to top

I thought it would be the opposite, easier to inflate CR when you pick and can avoid bad matchups, optimize inducements etc.
Of course everybody else picks more or less too and maybe I was outsmarted. Or I just had a lucky streak in box.
MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Aug 22, 2022 - 13:25 Reply with quote Back to top

It's hard to boost CR when Super Stars and Legends don't play vs you as Orcs vs Elves on GF and you spend hours to find a barely decent (or bad) game or no game at all. It's a matter of not finding games with GF vs finding games with the Box.
A single Box game on average makes me gain way more CR than 4-5 games on GF.


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MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Aug 22, 2022 - 13:29 Reply with quote Back to top

Chrisdekok wrote:
I thought it would be the opposite, easier to inflate CR when you pick and can avoid bad matchups, optimize inducements etc.
Of course everybody else picks more or less too and maybe I was outsmarted. Or I just had a lucky streak in box.

Regardless of your coach skill, blind matchmaking is generally better than picking/refusing games in the long run.
On GF only bad coaches will accept your unfair (or even fair) match-ups, but bad coaches don't give you lot of CR and in the unfortunate occurrence they win, they steal from you lot of CR.
The Super Stars and Legends are too smart to accept bad or fair match-ups, so if they play vs you they have a good reason to do it. That's why Box is better. In the Box you could find with Dwarfs a good coach with Amazons, for example. On GF? Never ever.


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MerryZ



Joined: Nov 28, 2005

Post   Posted: Aug 22, 2022 - 13:31 Reply with quote Back to top

Just play skilled Tier1 team and bash newer and usually worse tier teams on highly favourable matches. Not that hard rocket sciense there ;o

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MattDakka



Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Post   Posted: Aug 22, 2022 - 13:32 Reply with quote Back to top

I never said rocket science was required, just a blind way to find matches, i.e. the Box.
Also, everybody can play tier 1 teams so the ground is even for everybody, in theory.
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