MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Mar 06, 2023 - 11:59 |
 
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Bomber and Cindy are blatantly underpriced and potentially gamebreaking, so I thought to make a thread about ways to counter them.
My ideas, so far (feel free to add yours):
1) A Thrower (or Runner with some throwing skill such as Accurate or Cannoneer) following the main ball carrier (but out of blast radius, at least 2 squares away from the ball carrier) so, if the main ball carrier is knocked down, he can pick up the ball and pass it;
2) Safe Pair of Hands, in order to control the ball's scatter when the ball carrier is knocked down; that means the ball carrier/Thrower could hide in a corner of the pitch, reducing the chance of being hit by an Inaccurate bomb (because a corner square has just 3 adjacent squares);
3) A ball carrier with high AV, high MA, and Jump Up (he gets Knocked Down, but hopefully he stays alive thanks to high AV and can stand up and get the ball on the next turn);
4) Weather Mage: When you're going to move close to Bomber change the Weather to Very Sunny to give him a -1 malus. Weather Mage is very cheap so in theory he can be bought easily and often;
5) Punting the ball: it can be a last desperate measure, but if the game is almost over (turn 7-8 ) and there is a high chance that the ball carrier could be knocked down by a bomb and the opponent will score, then a punt could prevent a loss; with either PA 3+ or 4+ throwing a Long Pass to an empty square without Wildly Inaccurate requires a 4+, 75% with either Pass or a rr;
6) Disturbing Presence: try to get 2-3 players with Disturbing Presence close enough to Bomber to make him fail the pass. I know it's obvious, but wanted to write it for completeness's sake. |
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Diablange
Joined: Apr 27, 2020
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Mar 06, 2023 - 12:10 |
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What about :
- Have your own bomber
- Blitz / tacklezone the opponent bomber as often as possible ? |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Mar 06, 2023 - 12:16 |
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Yes, but not all teams can have a bomber. Cindy, by the way, is not as good as Bomber.
About Blitz/Tackle zone: yes, but it's not that easy, Bomber tends to hide behind team mates. I did it in many games but marking Bomber is not that great. The opponent can just blitz the marking player, or just throw the bomb despite being marked. Sure, it's better than nothing, but it's not very effective, on its own. Marking him + Weather Mage starts to be more effective. |
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SideshowBob
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 06, 2023 - 13:29 |
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My strategy is
-give up and just let him destroy my team
That usually works |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Mar 06, 2023 - 13:39 |
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I dont think people who constantly hire bomber should whine so much about it ? |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Mar 06, 2023 - 13:41 |
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MerryZ
Joined: Nov 28, 2005
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Mar 06, 2023 - 13:48 |
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Why whine if use yourself. Better just not whine, doesnt even help. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Mar 06, 2023 - 14:16 |
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SideshowBob
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Mar 06, 2023 - 14:45 |
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| koadah wrote: | If a rule is crap, whine long and loud until it is changed. 
Eventually someone may hear you.  |
yarr |
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Joost
Joined: Mar 17, 2014
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Mar 06, 2023 - 14:58 |
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I'm with Sideshow Bob on this. Playing against a bomber bought by an overdog is just souldraining (I don't mind them as much if an underdog buys them). Bombers are a problem. |
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Carthage
Joined: Mar 18, 2021
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Mar 06, 2023 - 15:20 |
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I've recently started bringing wizards solely to zap either of them. It's worked the few times Ive managed to afford it.
Somewhat annoying to have to spend 150k to neutralize a 50k player, but it does mean they are stuck with 10 players plus a frog vs a full 11 which is work some of that delta. |
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DaCoach
Joined: Jul 22, 2004
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Mar 06, 2023 - 15:27 |
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I've done that, too
But also hired Cindy AND Bomber for my Ogres, if 100 down
Happy to see them nerfed a bit soon |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Mar 06, 2023 - 15:29 |
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I used to hire a Wizard to counter Bomber before the November FAQ, but now it's harder.
If your opponent is slightly overdog (95 TV or less) you can't hire a Wizard to counter Bomber, but he can hire Bomber. Also, not all teams swim in gold. Elves tend to lack Treasury to spend on Inducements.
It's really silly that the overdog can decide to buy Inducements. It would be better the other way around, i.e. the underdog can decide to buy Inducements worth maximum the TV difference between the 2 teams.
That said, bombers need a price increase. Akhorne is 80k but way worse than a bomber.
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But also hired Cindy AND Bomber for my Ogres, if 100 down
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I'd like a 0-1 Star Player cap. Or at least, a sort of Star Player-type limit. For example, max 1 Star Player with Secret Weapon rule. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Mar 06, 2023 - 16:17 |
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only real strategy is - hope they blow them self up turn 1. If not, then turn 2 etc... |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Mar 06, 2023 - 16:33 |
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I tried the "hope for failure" strategy (carefully keeping my players spaced 2 squares to minimize blast effect whenever possible), and some games they just don't fail. They fumble, but a rr saves them or they just throw an Inaccurate bomb that still wreaks havoc.
Moreover, if you play carefully and stay away from Bomber, the opponent can just wait patiently before throwing that single effective bomb when you have to move close to him.
The problem of the "hope for failure" strategy is that the pressure of scoring is on you (assuming that Bomber is fielded by opponent on their defensive drive), so the opponent can wait, you can't. Sooner or later you will have to advance and risk a bomb.
A Bomber can be effective just as impending threat. He doesn't have to throw a bomb each and every turn to affect your offensive drive. |
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